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Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #27

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Quote: Justme wrote in post #23

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Eglmans thread by American Thinker says you're wrong. And that the shutdown may have had an ill effect on his chances.
Yes, Virginia, the GOP Establishment did stick a shiv in Ken Cuccinelli

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Did you read Vadums article? It cites the shutdown briefly by quoting one of Kens guys right after the election saying it MAY HAVE hurt, not knowing any of the stats we have now showing otherwise, and then goes on to slam the hell out of the GOP corporatists leaving them dead in the water.

Edited:Personal attack

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The data you continually flog in a vain attempt to prove your point indicates that 3% more Virginian's blamed the GOP for the government shutdown and Cuccinelli lost by 2.5%.

If you can't come-up with some new numbers or you really should stop

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I thought we were discussing the lack of support Cooch got from the GOP?

Fact 1. He essentially was cut loose by the GOP Light to fend for himself the last two weeks of the campaign.
Fact 2. In spite of that he closed the gap in the polls
Fact 3. He came darn close to beating the well oiled and well funded McAuliffe machine.
Fact 4. If GOP Lite had thrown some resources behind Cuccinelli as it turns out, he may have won.
Fact 5. This is a shameful dereliction of duty by the GOP Lite who as a result of their hatred for any Tea Party candidate, gave the election to the other side rather than see a conservative of their own occupy the Governor's office.

So far I haven't seen any refuting of these 5 FACTS!!!

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Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #32

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So far I haven't seen any refuting of these 5 FACTS!!!

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Um, I though he wasn't Tea Party

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ML does have a point here but the tea party types do it too...

Both sides would rather blame each other than take responsibility for their own failings.

Quote: Cedric wrote in post #37

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...The GOP has been around for over 150 years ....

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Quote: Cedric wrote in post #37

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Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #35

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Quote: Justme wrote in post #34

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So far I haven't seen any refuting of these 5 FACTS!!!

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Um, I though he wasn't Tea Party

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(1) Do the Republicans Lite think they have enough votes to overcome an exodus from the party by Tea Party conservatives?

(2) Don't forget that Republican Lite is about to work out an amnesty compromise that has the potential of adding 17 million new D voters.

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1. The better question is how many Tea Party candidates will win general elections without the GOP to attach themselves to?

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Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #39

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Quote: Cedric wrote in post #37

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(1) Do the Republicans Lite think they have enough votes to overcome an exodus from the party by Tea Party conservatives?

(2) Don't forget that Republican Lite is about to work out an amnesty compromise that has the potential of adding 17 million new D voters.

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1. The better question is how many Tea Party candidates will win general elections without the GOP to attach themselves to?
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My whole point has been how Republican Lites mistakenly feel they can one day rule again, IF ONLY they can defeat the Tea Party. You don't see how dumbass that strategy is?

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Your view is simply more shortsighted than is mine.

Again, the GOP has dealt with insurgencies much more daunting than the Tea Party's and has always destroyed and/or absorbed them.

I know you think the Tea Party uprising is "different", but it isn't.

All fringe political movements think they're different.

I'll place my bet on the GOP in this fracas, with absolute confidence that it will prevail, largely because the Tea Party has never been down this road before and the GOP has.

Similarly, if some spunky, but unrealistic, upstart who owned 5 shares of Microsoft declared that he would wage a proxy fight with Bill Gates for control of the company, I'd put my money on Gates.

The GOP's current strategy is not only wise, but necessary.

The belligerence of the fringe, openly hostile, Tea Party element can (and should) no longer be tolerated.

It's time for the GOP to destroy the Tea Party and absorb its sane and reasonable remnants.

The Tea Party foolishly allowed itself to be dragged into this fight, a fight it has no chance of winning at this early stage of its development.

And, just like the laughable fellow in my illustration, Tea Party Fringeballs get an "A" for spunk and an "F" for common sense.

Unfortunately, it is the Tea Party itself which will suffer for their folly.

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Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #42

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Quote: Cedric wrote in post #40

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Again, the GOP has dealt with insurgencies much more daunting than the Tea Party's and has always destroyed and/or absorbed them.

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The GOPe has only met one insurgency in the last century other than the Tea Party and it was obliterated for 20 years after it. Reagan destroyed the establishment hacks you defend. That is why Ford, Baker, Bush 1, Rockefeller et al are a punchline and in most cases unknowns while Reagan is a hero and giant among men. Even after the loser G H W Bush tried to dismantle Reagan's vision, the Conservative movement in the party picked up the pieces and romped in 1994. The GOP didn't return to a corporatist, hollow, do nothing, big spending organization until Bush 2 got in and destroyed the party.

Reagan was the original Tea Party candidates. All his speeches and interviews in the 70's and 80's sound just like what Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin are saying today. Bush, Rove (He worked for the Bush's since the 70's), Baker, Ford, Dole and all the other little impudent men that hated Reagan and did absolutely everything they could to jam him up at every turn are today considered failures. The reason we still have the Dept of Ed is because Baker wouldn't bring eliminating it to a vote in the Senate.

Do keep on with your blather about the GOPe being such a strong force though.

Edited:Turrets Symptoms- JM

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More evidence that GOP Lite dropped the ball badly by letting Cuccinelli die on the vine.

"Exit polls report that only 46% of the Virginia public supports ObamaCare, while 53% were opposed, 41% strongly opposed. Mr. Cuccinelli pulled 89% of those opposed."
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10...183713385661566

Who was GOP Lite's candidate in this race if it wasn't Cuccinelli?

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #36

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ML does have a point here but the tea party types do it too...

Both sides would rather blame each other than take responsibility for their own failings.

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Exactyl

The GOP absence in Va was a crappy thing to do, but I don't think it cost him the election.

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