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#16 | RE: Christie calls NRA ad 'reprehensible,' announces violence task force (Big a** loser) datum

Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:18 pm

Quote: Justme wrote in post #13
Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #12
Unlike you I live in NJ and have seen a GOP primary in NJ. Living in NJ I also get to speak to NJ voters both R's and D's on a regular basis.

Me too. The vast majority don't care for him in my circles. For whatever reason his phony propaganda that he was mr. wonderful handling Sandy and anyone lapping that up flies right over my head.

Actually I think for the first two weeks or so Christie did a good job, especially compared to what went on in NYC. Of course by good I mean what one would expect.

Illegitimi non Carborundum

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#17 | RE: Christie calls NRA ad 'reprehensible,' announces violence task force (Big a** loser) datum

Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:21 pm

Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #14
Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #12
Unlike you I live in NJ and have seen a GOP primary in NJ. Living in NJ I also get to speak to NJ voters both R's and D's on a regular basis.

The day that NJ settles a GOP Primary battle is the day I will be posting these comments from Costa Rica. I'll be outta here.

I think that algernonpj was talking about the NJ gubernatorial race, not the 2016 primaries.

"So it goes."

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#18 | RE: Christie calls NRA ad 'reprehensible,' announces violence task force (Big a** loser) datum

Fri Jan 18, 2013 4:59 pm

Quote: FP123 wrote in post #17
Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #14
Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #12
Unlike you I live in NJ and have seen a GOP primary in NJ. Living in NJ I also get to speak to NJ voters both R's and D's on a regular basis.

The day that NJ settles a GOP Primary battle is the day I will be posting these comments from Costa Rica. I'll be outta here.

I think that algernonpj was talking about the NJ gubernatorial race, not the 2016 primaries.

Good guess

Illegitimi non Carborundum

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#19 | RE: Christie calls NRA ad 'reprehensible,' announces violence task force (Big a** loser) datum

Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:06 pm

You are in new jersey, why, I am sitting Texas, it is 50 degrees today and the sun is shining. Do you need a map.

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#20 | RE: Christie calls NRA ad 'reprehensible,' announces violence task force (Big a** loser) datum

Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:12 pm

Quote: PzLdr wrote in post #15
Quote: Thunderbird wrote in post #5
"To talk about the president's children and any other public officer's children who have not by their own choice but by requirement have protection -- and to use that somehow to try to make a political point -- I think is reprehensible...I think it's awful to bring public figure's children into the public debate. You see that kind of ad and you cringe because it's just not appropriate." -Chris Christie

Like him or not..he's got a point.

Fatso might have more of a point if Il Douche didn't wrap himself in kids for his press conference. I guess that was OK?

Right, the use by the NRA of the President's kids was supposed to be a moral equivalency, not a threat to their security. What's good for Goose One is good for all the other geese as well. Let schools be protected with firepower by trained individuals who can act in case of emergency.

"Il Douche" says one thing should apply to others as he does the exact opposite for his own.

But how is the NRA supposed to make that point without referencing the hypocrisy of the President's protection of his own kids?

Plus the President has actually appealed generously to the public's emotions by using kids and their letters as counsel, in making his gun control points at his last Press Conference.

Watch our President present a very false Moral Equivalency,

Start by making an emotional appeal to enact his desired actions because they are morally superior. [don't present any evidence that his actions will accomplish his desired results]

Italics are from yesterday's transcript:

"These are our kids. This is what they�re thinking about. And so what we should be thinking about is our responsibility to care for them, and shield them from harm, and give them the tools they need to grow up and do everything that they�re capable of doing -- not just to pursue their own dreams, but to help build this country. This is our first task as a society, keeping our children safe. This is how we will be judged. And their voices should compel us to change."

So he casts the situation as a big-picture struggle against this evil power, btw, not the insane maniacs are responsible for misusing guns and kill innocents, but to rail against legal gun ownership, the NRA and the 2nd amendment's right to bear.

"And that�s why, last month, I asked Joe to lead an effort, along with members of my Cabinet, to come up with some concrete steps we can take right now to keep our children safe, to help prevent mass shootings, to reduce the broader epidemic of gun violence in this country."

Guns are the evil villian here folks. Guns kill innocent people. GEt rid of guns and the problem goes away. The President justifies his willingness to trample the 2nd amendment right to bear arms by claiming his position to be a lesser evil when compared to allowing the gun owners to have their own way. His actions become acts of good.

In the month since 20 precious children and six brave adults were violently taken from us at Sandy Hook Elementary, more than 900 of our fellow Americans have reportedly died at the end of a gun -- 900 in the past month. And every day we wait, that number will keep growing.

"And so just before I left, Chris, her father, gave me one of her paintings, and I hung it in my private study just off the Oval Office. And every time I look at that painting, I think about Grace. And I think about the life that she lived and the life that lay ahead of her, and most of all, I think about how, when it comes to protecting the most vulnerable among us, we must act now -- for Grace."

Could the argument show more lack of substance? Do what I propose, "...for Grace"

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#21 | RE: Christie calls NRA ad 'reprehensible,' announces violence task force (Big a** loser) datum

Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:28 pm

Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #20
Right, the use by the NRA of the President's kids was supposed to be a moral equivalency, not a threat to their security. What's good for Goose One is good for all the other geese as well. Let schools be protected with firepower by trained individuals who can act in case of emergency.

The difference being that the President is bound by law to provide secret service protection for his children. He doesn't have any choice in the matter.

Presidential children should be off-limits anyway..even to the limited extent the NRA attempted to drag them into the spotlight.

There are many better arguments for maintaining the protections the second amendment provides.

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#22 | RE: Christie calls NRA ad 'reprehensible,' announces violence task force (Big a** loser) datum

Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:42 pm

Quote: Thunderbird wrote in post #21
Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #20
Right, the use by the NRA of the President's kids was supposed to be a moral equivalency, not a threat to their security. What's good for Goose One is good for all the other geese as well. Let schools be protected with firepower by trained individuals who can act in case of emergency.

The difference being that the President is bound by law to provide secret service protection for his children. He doesn't have any choice in the matter.

Presidential children should be off-limits anyway..even to the limited extent the NRA attempted to drag them into the spotlight.

There are many better arguments for maintaining the protections the second amendment provides.

Presidential fiat gives the Chief Executive lots of powers and perks that ordinary citizens do not have. By all means, accept it as the natural order of things if you choose to do so.

Me? I can recognize how it is a dangerous symbol of the abuse of power and his arrogance. I do so because I will not have Secret Service protection for the rest of my life paid for by the taxpayer. I object strongly not based upon wanting anyone to come to harm, but because I pay for all of their Secret Service protection... including Valerie Jarrett's.

Orthodoxy SUCKS.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them."- Galileo Galilei

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