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But, Christianity differs from the other patriarchal religions in that women do have some intrinsic, individual worth, besides childbearing and labor. Islam allows for no worth.

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That is true. Even the worst of the worst in Christian Patriarchy is light years better for women than Islam. I did some reading on the patriarchy movement and there are some who don't give women much more worth than Islam.

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Can you imagine places in the United States that will allow Sharia law to take place like they do in some parts of Europe? Places like Dearborn, Michigan, for instance, that will eventually try to implement it with no restrictions.

If these events like Burka for babies were to be enforced, how would Americans feel about that? I consider it child abuse.

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Quote: steph wrote in post #15

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Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #12

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But, Christianity differs from the other patriarchal religions in that women do have some intrinsic, individual worth, besides childbearing and labor. Islam allows for no worth.

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That is true. Even the worst of the worst in Christian Patriarchy is light years better for women than Islam. I did some reading on the patriarchy movement and there are some who don't give women much more worth than Islam.

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I'm not sure I agree with that Steph - can you think of any Christian sects where it is a tenet of the religious practices to sell their young daughters into sexual slavery via "temporary marriages"?

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Quote: steph wrote in post #8

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Ozarkian, some of the more fundamentalist Christian sects do believe that it is the woman's fault when men can't control their lusts. A lot of the patriarchal groups really do believe that.

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Quote: steph wrote in post #8

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Ozarkian, some of the more fundamentalist Christian sects do believe that it is the woman's fault when men can't control their lusts. A lot of the patriarchal groups really do believe that.

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I beg to differ, steph....

Don't lump Fundamentalist Christians in with these Muslim animals.

All true Fundamentalists are Christians who believe the Bible is the inherent, infallible Word of God.

Anyone who believes a woman is to blame for her own assault is...well...a freaking nut!

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Islam seems to be particularly sadistic where it comes to women. They don't just want to possess and dominate, they want to demean and dehumanize women and girls. The burka is an instrument of dehumanization - the face is important to us to recognize others, and to hide the face makes it possible to hide their humanity.

Zitat

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I really wasn't clumping them with Islamist at all. I was responding to Ozarkian's post about the real teachings of the Amish about the women and immodesty. I won't go further off topic on this thread but no not everyone who is in fundamentalist patriarchal groups are true Christians. Those sects may use Christian terminology but there isn't a lick of grace practiced. Women are no more than their husband's property and to pretend otherwise is to turn a blind eye to a real problem.

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Yes, as I said, I was quite surprised they were handing out this literature and very surprised they believed this. I don't know if they were our local Amish (it was one guy handing this out and there was a police officer standing right next to him so I wonder what he was saying that prompted the police officer to stand right next to him as he was handing out his pamphlets).

Anyway, the Amish I have seen around here seemed to treat their women quite well, equal but different so I was surprised to see someone handing out this kind of literature. I wish I still had it, it was BRUTAL towards women and the men who raped women and children (yes, raping children is also the woman's fault) - no responsibility whatsoever was accredited to the man who perpetrated the crime. It was disgusting.

Back to burka's and babies, someone here said they thought it was child abuse to put a baby in a burka, I agree. They would hardly be able to see, move, etc and it would retard their development. Children learn by seeing, touching and as all mom's know putting everything they touch into their mouths. :)

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The Ayatollah Khomeini's Fling With A Four Year Old

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I am not clicking on that link.
My God!

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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/...rief-jail-time/