Quote: Olivia wrote in post #1

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WASHINGTON — Sen. Rand Paul is calling for conservatives to embrace the cause of immigration reform, outlining a proposal that would grant some form of legal status to the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants after the federal government has certified that the border is secure.
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Paul echoed the key finding of an internal review from the Republican National Committee that called for the party to recast its image in order to attract minority voters, saying the GOP must change the perception of the party as anti-immigrant.

Latinos, should be a natural constituency for the party, Paul argued, but “Republicans have pushed them away with harsh rhetoric over immigration.”
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“Republicans need to become parents of a new future with Latino voters or we will need to resign ourselves to permanent minority status,” he said. “In our zeal for border control, we have sometimes obscured our respect and admiration for immigrants and their contribution to America.”
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“Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers. Twelve million more people assimilating into society. Twelve million more people being productive contributors,” he said.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar/19/...reform-20130319

I don't know how I feel about this but one thing is certain. The ones here from Mexico are never going back, nor will they be sent back.
As for securing the border, that's a laugh.

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More lies from the rulling class, paul you are as big of a dope as your father. It is not 11 million it is 30+million. Stop lying. And the jerks said 86 would be thd last amnesty and they would secure the boarder . Paul you are smokimg weed.

Quote: Olivia wrote in post #1

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Latinos, should be a natural constituency for the party, Paul argued, but “Republicans have pushed them away with harsh rhetoric over immigration.”
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“Republicans need to become parents of a new future with Latino voters or we will need to resign ourselves to permanent minority status,” he said. “In our zeal for border control, we have sometimes obscured our respect and admiration for immigrants and their contribution to America.”

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The problem with American politics nowadays is that words no longer mean anything.

The word "illegal" has been banned from the vocabulary of the Left and, as a result, the word "immigrant" is used to desrcibe everybody not born in the U.S., from the individual who patiently waited for 10 years for his legal immigrant visa to the Mexican national who just jumped over the border fence 5 minutes ago.

On the Far Right, that translates into ranting about not one more foreigner in here and extending the "no amnesty" rhetoric to everything from work permit visas to the kid who was dragged over the border at age 3 and has grown up in North Carolina for the last 15 years. The obseesion with "where were you born" gets so heated that even the overseas U.S. miltary service of the father was held against John McCain.

In between trashing every Latino and throwing the Rule of Law out the window, there has to be some common sense middle ground.

Maybe the millions of illegals that have been here for many years are too melded into society to go back without serious disruption to the economy. Then again, why should the guy that came here a year ago stay? In regards to the Dream Act, why should the 18 years old who jumped the border fence of his own free will be treated the same as the 3 year old who was carried across 15 years ago and can't even speak Spanish?

This may be a radical proposal but I do not believe that illegals should EVER be rewarded with citizenship or the vote. Why citizenship? If they are to stay legally, why not a life-long "Green Card" status for anybody that illegally crossed as an adult? Illegal behavior may be forgiven but why should it be rewarded with citizenship?

You do not need citizenship to live in the U.S. and do just fine. After my uncle returned from the Bay of Pigs invasion, he and dozens of other Bay of Pigs veterans volunteered for the U.S. military and became officers ...... Without citizenship. In 1965, they were among the first ship out to Vietnam ....... Without citizenship. He was wounded at Ia Drang ..... Without citizenship. He returned for a second combat tour .... Without citizenship. He was wounded again .... Without citizenship.

When he finally got around to getting his citizenship, he was not asked any questions by the examiner. The examiner just looked at his Green Beret, his CIB, his Bronze Star with two Combat V's, his two Purple Hearts, his right arm strapped to his chest and his empty right sleeve and said, "You passed, Captain."

If my uncle could bleed for America without citizenship, why should an illegal be rewarded with citizenship for breaking U.S. law?

If a "legal resident" status was good enough for Cuban-American officers in Vietnam in 1965, "legal resident" status is good enough for illegals for the rest of their lives and they should be grateful to get that.

Life should have consequences are individuals who have broken U.S, law to be here should not be having a say in how America is governed. It is far more than generous that they be allowed to stay.

I've talked to Mexicans in Mexico about illegal immigration and they roll their eyes that Americans put up with it. Does anybody think that Mexico has a "path to citizenship" for illegal Guatemalans? Hell no. If Cuban rafters end up being taken by the currents to the Yucatan peninsula, they are shipped straight back to Cuba.

Any Mexican llegal immigration advocate in the U.S. can be put in his place by asking him, "What would the Mexican Government do in regards to an illegal American or Guatemalan in Mexico" but nobody in American politics has the guts for straight talk any more.

What has made the United States of America different than other countries is the respect for the Rule of Law. Once that goes out the window and those who thumb their nose at the Rule of Law are rewarded with the vote, America's future is in deep kimchee.

Quote: Cedric wrote in post #7

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It's been quite a week for the RINO train to political oblivion.....first Rubio, then Rand Paul.

So, now we're down to Ted Cruz.

And, remember, in 1998 Ted Cruz had a cheeseburger at a restaurant on the same street as the dealership where George P. Bush would one day buy a Prius!

So, Ted's lookin' a little iffy.

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You are so predictable. Do you have an alarm that goes off when your beloved GOP is called out for trying to sell a bucket of shit as a fine perfume so you can roll in and defend these losers?