Synopsis of two different analyses of the Gang of 8's 'immigration reform' bill. If passed it would take care of what's left of the economy after ObamaCare.
Two Devastating Analyses Of Gang Bill (Bring Blood Pressure Meds). By Patrick Cleburne on May 3, 2013 at 7:06pm
"I commend two excellent Gang of 8 Bill demolition kits.
Over at Powerline, John Hinderaker, who has been so little involved in the issue that we have only once referenced him in all these years, has produced the terse, penetrating, and extremely powerful Why the Immigration Bill Can’t Be Fixed May 2, 2013. An extract:
...In my view, the bill is flawed at its core, in multiple ways, and efforts to improve it are misguided. It cannot serve as a template for workable legislation. Here is why:
1. No bill that contains the word “comprehensive” in its title should be enacted.
2. The bill does nothing about the central problem in our immigration system.
3. “Triggers” are worthless.
4. The bill puts vast discretion in the hands of Janet Napolitano and people like her.
5. Border security is irrelevant. [ignores interior enforcement]
...First, the influx that will result from the Gang’s plan without bringing in any new illegals–30 million or more–would devastate the existing American working class and put an intolerable strain on our welfare system. It would bring about profound demographic change and would ensure Democratic majorities for the foreseeable future.….
. . . Hinderaker concludes
ZitatSo conservatives should forget about trying to fix the Gang of Eight’s bill, and instead drive a stake through its heart.
. . . Daniel Horowitz has posted the fruits of I shudder to think how many hours work: Gang Immigration Bill (S.744) is Comprehensively Flawed Madison Project Wednesday May 1st, 2013.
This is an exhaustive deconstruction. Highlight discussions-
No Fence
[No]Internal Enforcement This plan does nothing to force the hand of this administration or future administrations on enforcement. In fact…it explicitly preempts states from enforcing immigration laws.
No real triggers
Encumbering future deportations
Almost Immediate Amnesty
[No]Background check: No government documents are required to identify these people during background checks
Public Charge [exemption]: … RPIs [VDARE.com: Registered Provisional Immigrant) are completely exempt from public charge (tests) when initially applying for RPI status…This legal status will also allow them to immediately collect welfare benefits in many states, which award benefits to anyone lawfully present.
Criminals:...allows many criminals to get legal status
Social Security: The bill would waive prosecutions of those who have used fraudulent Social Security numbers to get jobs when they were illegal,
Dream Act: The dreamers (aged 16-and above with no maximum) and the Ag workers will get immediate blanket amnesty, green cards in just 5 years, and in the case of Dream recipients, immediate citizenship… Moreover, spouses and children can be brought in immediately, obtain green cards in 5 years, and citizenship 5 years later.
Invites in Deportees: Not only will deportations be suspended for everyone here, the bill invites thousands of people who have already been deported
Wage Controls: ...this bill increases the number of visas exponentially for both high and low skilled immigrants. Then, in order to stave off the inevitable depressing of wages, this bill proposes new wage controls for H1-B visa workers. It even establishes an entire new agency
Diversity Agenda: …Under the new points system… applicants from those countries on the diversity visa would be granted extra points, almost as much as those who hold master’s degrees.
Prioritized H1-B Expansion
Defacto Permanent Guest Workers
Chain Migration: The same provision that grants an unlimited number of visas to family members of citizens is extended to family members of LPRs (VDARE.com: Legal Permanent Residents). Given that this bill creates millions of new legal and illegal LPRs, the family-based immigration would explode over the next decade
Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #1Synopsis of two different analyses of the Gang of 8's 'immigration reform' bill. If passed it would take care of what's left of the economy after ObamaCare.
Two Devastating Analyses Of Gang Bill (Bring Blood Pressure Meds). By Patrick Cleburne on May 3, 2013 at 7:06pm
"I commend two excellent Gang of 8 Bill demolition kits.
Over at Powerline, John Hinderaker, who has been so little involved in the issue that we have only once referenced him in all these years, has produced the terse, penetrating, and extremely powerful Why the Immigration Bill Can’t Be Fixed May 2, 2013. An extract:
...In my view, the bill is flawed at its core, in multiple ways, and efforts to improve it are misguided. It cannot serve as a template for workable legislation. Here is why:
1. No bill that contains the word “comprehensive” in its title should be enacted.
2. The bill does nothing about the central problem in our immigration system.
3. “Triggers” are worthless.
4. The bill puts vast discretion in the hands of Janet Napolitano and people like her.
5. Border security is irrelevant. [ignores interior enforcement]
...First, the influx that will result from the Gang’s plan without bringing in any new illegals–30 million or more–would devastate the existing American working class and put an intolerable strain on our welfare system. It would bring about profound demographic change and would ensure Democratic majorities for the foreseeable future.….
. . . Hinderaker concludes
ZitatSo conservatives should forget about trying to fix the Gang of Eight’s bill, and instead drive a stake through its heart.
. . . Daniel Horowitz has posted the fruits of I shudder to think how many hours work: Gang Immigration Bill (S.744) is Comprehensively Flawed Madison Project Wednesday May 1st, 2013.
This is an exhaustive deconstruction. Highlight discussions-
No Fence
[No]Internal Enforcement This plan does nothing to force the hand of this administration or future administrations on enforcement. In fact…it explicitly preempts states from enforcing immigration laws.
No real triggers
Encumbering future deportations
Almost Immediate Amnesty
[No]Background check: No government documents are required to identify these people during background checks
Public Charge [exemption]: … RPIs [VDARE.com: Registered Provisional Immigrant) are completely exempt from public charge (tests) when initially applying for RPI status…This legal status will also allow them to immediately collect welfare benefits in many states, which award benefits to anyone lawfully present.
Criminals:...allows many criminals to get legal status
Social Security: The bill would waive prosecutions of those who have used fraudulent Social Security numbers to get jobs when they were illegal,
Dream Act: The dreamers (aged 16-and above with no maximum) and the Ag workers will get immediate blanket amnesty, green cards in just 5 years, and in the case of Dream recipients, immediate citizenship… Moreover, spouses and children can be brought in immediately, obtain green cards in 5 years, and citizenship 5 years later.
Invites in Deportees: Not only will deportations be suspended for everyone here, the bill invites thousands of people who have already been deported
Wage Controls: ...this bill increases the number of visas exponentially for both high and low skilled immigrants. Then, in order to stave off the inevitable depressing of wages, this bill proposes new wage controls for H1-B visa workers. It even establishes an entire new agency
Diversity Agenda: …Under the new points system… applicants from those countries on the diversity visa would be granted extra points, almost as much as those who hold master’s degrees.
Prioritized H1-B Expansion
Defacto Permanent Guest Workers
Chain Migration: The same provision that grants an unlimited number of visas to family members of citizens is extended to family members of LPRs (VDARE.com: Legal Permanent Residents). Given that this bill creates millions of new legal and illegal LPRs, the family-based immigration would explode over the next decade
Just last night I found the part for spending $150 million dollars for unnamed community organizers to aide in them, the illegals, in obtaining proof they had been here, in truth itis nothing more than allowing the rats money to get them registered to vote. An a slush fund for attorney s.
I am not a republican I am a conservative, and supporter of the rule of law. And refuse to support any of Roves dopes.
This would, indeed, be devastating if (a) the analyses were accurate (b) the bill had any realistic chance of passing.
Fortunately, neither is the case.
Oh, and I don't think the "Gang Of 8" is worth losing the language over.
Some guys working on legislation which will ultimately be presented and debated publicly in the United States Senate do not qualify as "traitors" (on that basis).
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. - Winston Churchill