And who are we to question our exalted ruler’s dictates?
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration’s targeted drone strikes against American citizens were constitutional in part because the president said so, Department of Justice lawyers argued in a court filing this week.
“The Attorney General’s statement last month that the use of remotely piloted aircraft and the targeting of Anwar Al-Aulaqi were subject to ‘exceptionally rigorous interagency legal review’ and determined to be lawful — along with the President’s statement that those actions were legal — only support the conclusion that those actions were lawful, and certainly were not clearly established to be unconstitutional in 2011,” the government said in a Wednesday court filing signed by Paul E. Werner, a trial lawyer in the Justice Department’s Civil Division.
The government was responding to a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights on behalf of the estates of three American citizens killed in drone strikes. The lawsuit, Al-Aulaqi v. Panetta, alleges that the government’s killing of Al-Aulaqi and his 16-year-old son, Abdulrahman Al-Aulaqi, and Samir Khan were unconstitutional because they were not given due process.
Levin was right. We have an imperial president. He is five months into his second term. Oh, joy.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
Quote: Palinista wrote in post #2Levin was right. We have an imperial president. He is four months into his second term. Oh, joy.
Did you ever imagine (especially as a young person) that we would experience this in our lifetimes?
In 2002-3, I knew that America that I knew was gone. It is just accelerating faster than I thought it would.
We have the NSA watching our every move for the past seven years. That is what I read today.
After the disappointment of George W. Bush I don't care who is president anymore. It doesn't matter.
Goliath cannot be tamed because there is no David to save us.
One day we will attempt to save ourselves. I fear that day.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
Quote: FP123 wrote in post #5 Very wise and weighty words, my friend. (No McCain!)
Did you think it would happen this fast, FP?
Care to share your thoughts?
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
Quote: FP123 wrote in post #5 Very wise and weighty words, my friend. (No McCain!)
Did you think it would happen this fast, FP?
Care to share your thoughts?
Certainly not when I was a young person, not one bit.
This fast? That's a good question. The "timing" part has always had me confused, it still does. Sometimes I think that it will be coming hard and fast, other times I still think it may be the slow boil that is the preference.
I shared some "personal" thoughts in that "Rubio immigration" thread earlier today, that's probably enough for one day (or week, or month, or year perhaps). But in short: none of it surprises me any more, and I am trying my damnedest to still live as a free man for as long as I can, I am not giving in to the bastids emotionally or spiritually.
Quote: FP123 wrote in post #5 Very wise and weighty words, my friend. (No McCain!)
Did you think it would happen this fast, FP?
Care to share your thoughts?
Certainly not when I was a young person, not one bit.
This fast? That's a good question. The "timing" part has always had me confused, it still does. Sometimes I think that it will be coming hard and fast, other times I still think it may be the slow boil that is the preference.
I shared some "personal" thoughts in that "Rubio immigration" thread earlier today, that's probably enough for one day (or week, or month, or year perhaps). But in short: none of it surprises me any more, and I am trying my damnedest to still live as a free man for as long as I can, I am not giving in to the bastids emotionally or spiritually.
Emotional and spiritual well being is key, in my opinion.
When my mind gets too focused on the problems in Washington and how they effect me, I try to shift into diversions that feed my spirit and my heart.
Hang in there, FP. We cannot control everything around us. We can control what we learn and how we react.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson