For years, top officials of the Bush and Obama administrations dismissed fears about secret government data-mining by reassuring Congress that there were no secret nets trawling for Americans' phone and Internet records.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
"If people can’t trust not only the executive branch but also don’t trust Congress, and don’t trust federal judges, to make sure that we’re abiding by the Constitution with due process and rule of law, then we’re going to have some problems here." - Barack Obama, June 7, 2013
Quote: Palinista wrote in post #1FOX News June 8, 2013
For years, top officials of the Bush and Obama administrations dismissed fears about secret government data-mining by reassuring Congress that there were no secret nets trawling for Americans' phone and Internet records.
Im getting more and more ticked off about the Bush administration. Given that that they don't come close to the current administration in dastardly deeds, they sure did a lot of things that you wouldn't expect someone on the side of the American people and America to do. TARP, DHS, Campaign finance, etc. I'm beginning to see W in a very different light. While I've had problems with some of his policies, going back to his days as Texas governor, I have always defended him as a decent person, I'm seriously questioning that now. "By their fruits shall ye know them."
Quote: Sanguine wrote in post #3Im getting more and more ticked off about the Bush administration. Given that that they don't come close to the current administration in dastardly deeds, they sure did a lot of things that you wouldn't expect someone on the side of the American people and America to do. TARP, DHS, Campaign finance, etc. I'm beginning to see W in a very different light. While I've had problems with some of his policies, going back to his days as Texas governor, I have always defended him as a decent person, I'm seriously questioning that now. "By their fruits shall ye know them."
In other words actions speak louder than words.
The reasons some of us kept saying Bush paved the way for Obama are slowly steadily leaking out.
Bush may have been a decent person, but he was also a believer and promoter of global statism, the New World Order. He did covertly a lot of the same things Obama continues and expands in your face, in other words Bush had better window dressing. I do not perceive that Bush had the utter hatred for the US that Obama does. GW's administration did an incredible amount of damage.
Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #29/11 certainly proved very useful to the statists.
I've never been a "truther" who believes that our government was behind the 9/11 attacks. I believe the attacks were 100% Muslim planned and carried out.
But the statists in our government did seize the oppotunity to usurp our liberty in exchange for a little faux security.
As the uber-statist Rahm Emanuel once said: "You never let a serious crisis go to waste."
I fail to see why Bush was brought up at all other than pointing out he began the program. Just off handed accusations based on the current administrations admitted unconstitutional far overreach.
It was not until May 2011, as the Patriot Act again faced another reauthorization, that the NSA's secret programs began to receive cryptic attention from two Democratic senators, Ron Wyden of Oregon and Mark Udall of Colorado. Hobbled by the classified nature of the secret programs, the two senators offered up only guarded warnings.