Quote: Justme wrote in post #31

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It was a fight that had a snowballs chance in hell to win.

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I agree. The democrats are a team..united as one. The republicans are too busy fighting each other..and this is why they get nowhere. After all...we have Rinos...do they have Dinos? No..they dont, because they all stick together.

This obamacare was pushed thru with no republican votes. More than once (since then), you heard republicans say they would get rid of it...did they? Even the supreme court didnt get rid of it. There was absolutely NO reason and NO deadline for them to back down. The govt had the money to pay their bills. By backing down, the republicans have no lost the support of their own people..those who supported THEM. Now..they dont have support from anyone.

And as far as people who voted and who didnt vote..it doesnt much matter. If anybody thinks Obama won this last election without voter fraud, then they are really in lalaland. I dont blame people for not voting...since more often than not..their vote doesnt even count. Not to mention that he shouldnt have run the first time..nobody even bothered to vet him. Where is his birth certificate? Why didnt he had to answer to the taking apart of the piece of garbage they put out there? Oh and for those who are counting the days until he is out..I read a few things that the "first ape" wants to run. And let me tell you..if she does and she wins..I am OUT of this country. This is NOT the America my grandparents suffered to come to...nor the one I was born into.

Quote: Just Ducky wrote in post #34

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I agree. The democrats are a team..united as one. The republicans are too busy fighting each other..and this is why they get nowhere. After all...we have Rinos...do they have Dinos? No..they dont, because they all stick together.

This obamacare was pushed thru with no republican votes. More than once (since then), you heard republicans say they would get rid of it...did they? Even the supreme court didnt get rid of it. There was absolutely NO reason and NO deadline for them to back down. The govt had the money to pay their bills. By backing down, the republicans have no lost the support of their own people..those who supported THEM. Now..they dont have support from anyone.

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Quote: Just Ducky wrote in post #34

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And as far as people who voted and who didnt vote..it doesnt much matter. If anybody thinks Obama won this last election without voter fraud, then they are really in lalaland. I dont blame people for not voting...since more often than not..their vote doesnt even count. Not to mention that he shouldnt have run the first time..nobody even bothered to vet him. Where is his birth certificate? Why didnt he had to answer to the taking apart of the piece of garbage they put out there? Oh and for those who are counting the days until he is out..I read a few things that the "first ape" wants to run. And let me tell you..if she does and she wins..I am OUT of this country. This is NOT the America my grandparents suffered to come to...nor the one I was born into.

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I hope they give themselves a standing O when they are on the outside looking in because some democrat took their job.

There are not two major parties in the country anymore..there is one. And the party that conservatives decided to hook on to, doesnt seem to be working out for them. They should find another party.

I am just thankful that I was born and grew up in a time that this country WAS really great. Where you were proud to be an American...home of the FREE..land of the BRAVE. I am an original baby boomer. I was born 10 months after the end of WWII. My grandkids will never have anything to compare this to. This country and life has changed so much since I was a kid.

Ya know..I dont discuss politics much with my 2 daughters. I do occasionally with my son. My daughter made a comment a couple of months ago..that made me think..geeze..she is actually paying attention. They are going on a disney cruise next month, to the bahamas. It was suggested they get passports (which is very expensive for a family of 5, it seems). However, I believe they could have gotten away with just their birth certificate (holy crap..would you believe they ALL have one!!). She said to me, they opted to get the passports because...ya never know when we might need them. lol I dont think she meant more vacations, either.

I think people are really looking or thinking about their options. As you know, I do genealogy. (Italian 100% as is my husband). Using groups and forums for this, a lot of people of Italian decent are applying for duel citizenship...but not everyone is eligible. It depends on the time of your immigrating ancestors naturalization...because thats when they renounce Italy. If only one grandparent was NOT naturalized before your birth..you can apply. I cannot apply..since my grandparents on my mothers side were naturalized before my birth..and so was my father. (He was born in Sicily). My husband cant either..as both of his sides were naturalized before his birth. Not that italy is any better..and I have absolutely no desire to even go there..but people are doing this.