Crisis Magazine
by George Neumayr
January 16, 2013

One of the items on Obama’s second term agenda is to root out traditionally Christian chaplains from the military. He sees them as bigots unworthy of conscience protections. Like Chick-fil-A, they don’t uphold Obama’s “values.”

Obama’s mouthpieces in the military have already blurted this out. In 2010, Admiral Michael Mullen told a Christian chaplain who opposed the repeal of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy that “If you cannot get in line, resign your commission.” That same year Lieutenant General Thomas P. Bostick, the Army’s deputy chief of staff in charge of personnel, said military members who dissent from Obama’s gay rights agenda should “get out.”

“Unfortunately, we have a minority of service members who are still racists and bigoted and you will never be able to get rid of all of them,” he said, as reported by the Washington Times. “But these people opposing this new policy will need to get with the program, and if they can’t, they need to get out.”

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http://www.crisismagazine.com/2013/muzzl...itary-chaplains

Both Obama and Hillary Clinton have expressed their belief in "freedom of worship". They never have defended freedom of religion as written in our Constitution.

It's amazing how they play with the language to push their agenda. This "freedom of worship" talk has been under the radar for the most part. However, it was discussed on Redstate a few months ago. It is worthy of discussion.

http://www.redstate.com/kevinaw2/2012/05...dom-of-worship/

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Barack Obama in defending the mandate has suggested that it has no impact on “Freedom of Worship”. So, exactly where does “Freedom of Worship” appear in the Constitution? It doesn’t. The First Amendment provides for “Freedom of Religion”. No one to my knowledge has called him out on this significant distinction.

Freedom of Religion of course provides for living one’s life in concert with the principles of your faith. It unambiguously asserts the rights of Americans not to be coerced beyond the limits of their faith and conscience.

What about Freedom of Worship? This “nuance” effectively seeks to diminish the boundaries of faith in our individual lives by compelling actions in violation of firmly held moral convictions. Simply put, when Barack Obama and his closest allies speak of “free worship”, they mean to segregate the services of devotion from its application in our daily lives. Obama’s position essentially is that our faith has no value in society beyond the front door of the respective houses of worship and fidelity to the precepts of our faith is invalid if determined to be in conflict with our “enlightened” federal government.

In Barack Obama’s America we must leave our prayers in the pew. In Barack Obama’s America we must leave our faith at the front door. In Barack Obama’s America our faith must submit to the new moral authority, or as Mark Steyn calls it: “The Church of Big Government”.

Barack Obama has been let off the hook when he speaks of “Free Worship”. Some might suggest this is just an example of political nuance to take the edge off the issue. This is an absurd defense. Look at the President’s resume’. Are we supposed to believe that a man who graduated from Harvard Law School, the most prestigious law school in the country is unaware of the distinction between worship and religion? Are we to extend him the benefit of the doubt that as the editor of the “Harvard Law Review” that he is ignorant of the constitutional distinction? Are we to ignore his years as a Law Professor and conclude that he doesn’t understand the clarity of the First Amendment?

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Thanks for linking that article, steph.

Of course, Obama knows the difference between worship and religion. That's why they've changed the word, hoping that no one will notice.

They want to make sure people can go to Mosque or Church, but that Christians can't live out their faith by believing Scriptural commands on morality.

The Progressives have had 100 years to 'nuance' their treason. They're good at it.

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It's amazing how they play with the language to push their agenda. This "freedom of worship" talk has been under the radar for the most part. However, it was discussed on Redstate a few months ago. It is worthy of discussion.

http://www.redstate.com/kevinaw2/2012/05...dom-of-worship/

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In his greatest fantasy, Christians will be shuttered in their homes behind locked doors reading their Bibles in secret by candlelight. He hates Christianity because it offers unconditional forgiveness and love, two things that the State can never offer the citizens.

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In his greatest fantasy, Christians will be shuttered in their homes behind locked doors reading their Bibles in secret by candlelight. He hates Christianity because it offers unconditional forgiveness and love, two things that the State can never offer the citizens.

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Best quote EVER right there! Thanks Palinista!!

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It's amazing how they play with the language to push their agenda. This "freedom of worship" talk has been under the radar for the most part. However, it was discussed on Redstate a few months ago. It is worthy of discussion.

http://www.redstate.com/kevinaw2/2012/05...dom-of-worship/

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The Copts in Egypt know the horrors of living with "freedom of worship". Obama knows their history.

Obamacare is an assault on religion because if implemented to its fullest extent it could hinder any charitable acts that the church wants to bestow upon society. In Obama's biggest dreams there will be no hospitals or charities with religious affiliations, no "Sisters of the Poor", no missions permitted to promote community assistance, outreach and food banks. In Obama's America the churches will lose their influence in American life.

In his greatest fantasy, Christians will be shuttered in their homes behind locked doors reading their Bibles in secret by candlelight. He hates Christianity because it offers unconditional forgiveness and love, two things that the State can never offer the citizens.

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THANKS FOR THIS THREAD. IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.

I can't state that toooooo emphatically.

1. First comes trashing Christianity--PARTICULARLY EVANGELICAL PENTECOSTAL CHRISTIANITY which believes that Holy Spirit is still at work in the world doing His miracles and which believes in the literal 2nd Coming of Jesus The Christ. That's the flavor of Christianity still punished most severely in China.

2. Then comes trashing all religions but one.

3. Then comes demanding overt worship of satan.

The goal is clearly known. The goal has been known for 2,000 years.

This is just beginning . . .

Chaplains will not be the only ones demanded to renounce their Christianity.

"Worship" and "religion" are about to be turned on their heads wholesale as never before in the modern era.

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Christians will not immediately need to renounce their faith in God “simply on the basis of the reception of [this] new, unexpected information of a religious character from extraterrestrial civilizations.” However, once the “religious content” originating from outside the earth “has been verified” they will have to conduct “a re-reading [of the Gospel] inclusive of the new data…”

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http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/vaticana4.htm


EXO-VATICANA (Pt4): Petrus Romanus, PROJECT LUCIFER, and the Vatican's Astonishing


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It's amazing how they play with the language to push their agenda. This "freedom of worship" talk has been under the radar for the most part. However, it was discussed on Redstate a few months ago. It is worthy of discussion.

http://www.redstate.com/kevinaw2/2012/05...dom-of-worship/

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The Copts in Egypt know the horrors of living with "freedom of worship". Obama knows their history.

Obamacare is an assault on religion because if implemented to its fullest extent it could hinder any charitable acts that the church wants to bestow upon society. In Obama's biggest dreams there will be no hospitals or charities with religious affiliations, no "Sisters of the Poor", no missions permitted to promote community assistance, outreach and food banks. In Obama's America the churches will lose their influence in American life.

In his greatest fantasy, Christians will be shuttered in their homes behind locked doors reading their Bibles in secret by candlelight. He hates Christianity because it offers unconditional forgiveness and love, two things that the State can never offer the citizens.

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It may come to that one day but the thing is, the persecuted church is one that grows. How many times in history have dictators tried to stamp it out?

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I was specifically talking about real persecution for simply believing. It's not here yet. I do think it could happen here primarily because the American church is full of heretical teaching. Instead of discipling members it went to the seeker friendly/purpose driven model to fill the pews with unbelievers. In the process it left out the most important role of the church. Making disciples so the world could be reached. It decided to mimic the world and provide a mediocre subculture. Well, it's not authentic. It's fake and there is a major fallout going on right now. My mother always said that we were two generations from becoming a pagan country.

One other reason there is a big falling away is because some power hungry men decided that they could change the culture through politics. Well that hasn't worked out too well has it?

History has shown that the persecuted church grows because true believers are authentic. They are willing to live and die for their faith. People are drawn to authenticity.

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I was specifically talking about real persecution for simply believing. It's not here yet. I do think it could happen here primarily because the American church is full of heretical teaching. Instead of discipling members it went to the seeker friendly/purpose driven model to fill the pews with unbelievers. In the process it left out the most important role of the church. Making disciples so the world could be reached. It decided to mimic the world and provide a mediocre subculture. Well, it's not authentic. It's fake and there is a major fallout going on right now. My mother always said that we were two generations from becoming a pagan country.

One other reason there is a big falling away is because some power hungry men decided that they could change the culture through politics. Well that hasn't worked out too well has it?

History has shown that the persecuted church grows because true believers are authentic. They are willing to live and die for their faith. People are drawn to authenticity.

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I was specifically talking about real persecution for simply believing. It's not here yet. I do think it could happen here primarily because the American church is full of heretical teaching. Instead of discipling members it went to the seeker friendly/purpose driven model to fill the pews with unbelievers. In the process it left out the most important role of the church. Making disciples so the world could be reached. It decided to mimic the world and provide a mediocre subculture. Well, it's not authentic. It's fake and there is a major fallout going on right now. My mother always said that we were two generations from becoming a pagan country.

One other reason there is a big falling away is because some power hungry men decided that they could change the culture through politics. Well that hasn't worked out too well has it?

History has shown that the persecuted church grows because true believers are authentic. They are willing to live and die for their faith. People are drawn to authenticity.

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http://blog.heritage.org/2011/06/01/civi...option-service/

It depends upon where each person draws their line in the sand. It depends upon how much they value their freedom of religion over other rights. It also depends upon their adherence to cultural teaching over religious teaching.

My pastor recently said that the number of Christians in America is not growing. We are not a stronger, larger church-going nation, no matter how much our population has grown.

Why persecute Christians out in the open when people can force them through political correctness to be silent?

I wouldn't bet the strength of the faith by the numbers in the pew because I know for a fact that there are people in the pew who are weak and wavering. I don't judge them. I feel for them. If things get bad they are going to need to rely upon His strength.

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I am not judging those who are wavering at all. I have been there. It's been a long road back. Finding a church that isn't caught up in entertaining the members is quite difficult.

I do hold the pastors and denominational leaders partially responsible for following stupid fads instead of being diligent in tending to their flocks.

How many people's lives could have been changed had the church invested the millions spent on lavish buildings and entertainment centers in the more needy areas in the communities?