Quote: Quix wrote in post #22

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Some assert quite solidly that the globalists were on BOTH sides of the U.S. Civil war consolidating their power, enriching themselves etc. even then. Though 'true fiction,' Clark Gable kind of made that a bit clear in Gone With The Wind.

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #36

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Quix managed to derail the entire thread.

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Quote: GourmetDan wrote in post #35

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Quote: Quix wrote in post #22

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Some assert quite solidly that the globalists were on BOTH sides of the U.S. Civil war consolidating their power, enriching themselves etc. even then. Though 'true fiction,' Clark Gable kind of made that a bit clear in Gone With The Wind.

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I'm thinking that globalism was alive and well at least as far back as the Revolutionary War.

I always thought the Brits gave up far too quickly. American support for the revolution was not that strong.

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Quote: musiclady wrote in post #38

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Would you mind expanding on this, Dan? How would Britain's acceding quickly (though I doubt the Colonial Army thought it was all that "quick") to American independence relate to globalism?

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Quote: GourmetDan wrote in post #39

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Quote: musiclady wrote in post #38

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Would you mind expanding on this, Dan? How would Britain's acceding quickly (though I doubt the Colonial Army thought it was all that "quick") to American independence relate to globalism?

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Simply that we didn't gain our 'independence' from anyone. The globalists were firmly in control of political outcomes at least that far back.

You could look at the French Revolution with the same perspective.

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Some folks may not know that such letters are considered by the most professional researchers, archivists and truth detectives to be THE MOST PRIMARY OF SOURCES

There's plenty of other evidence to document that Washington himself was, in fact, such a globalist.

Quote: GourmetDan wrote in post #39

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Quote: musiclady wrote in post #38

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Would you mind expanding on this, Dan? How would Britain's acceding quickly (though I doubt the Colonial Army thought it was all that "quick") to American independence relate to globalism?

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Simply that we didn't gain our 'independence' from anyone. The globalists were firmly in control of political outcomes at least that far back.

You could look at the French Revolution with the same perspective.

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Quote: musiclady wrote in post #42

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Who was telling the Brits what to do? Who were the 'globalists' who controlled the best military in the world?

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Quote: Quix wrote in post #41

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13."It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread to the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am." The Writings of George Washington 1798 letter.

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Some folks may not know that such letters are considered by the most professional researchers, archivists and truth detectives to be THE MOST PRIMARY OF SOURCES
There's plenty of other evidence to document that Washington himself was, in fact, such a globalist.

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OMG! George Washington wrote about Illuminati (globalist) influence in the U.S. less than 30 years after the Declaration of Independence!

What a kook! /s

Quote: GourmetDan wrote in post #49

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OMG! George Washington wrote about Illuminati (globalist) influence in the U.S. less than 30 years after the Declaration of Independence!

What a kook! /s

INDEED.

What a tragedy that Frank can't blast him with horse biscuits to his face. /s

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Quote: GourmetDan wrote in post #47

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Quote: musiclady wrote in post #42

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Who was telling the Brits what to do? Who were the 'globalists' who controlled the best military in the world?

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Who is telling the Americans what to do today? Who are the 'globalists' who control the best military in the world today?

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Quote: Quix wrote in post #41

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ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

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13."It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the principles of Jacobinism had not spread to the United States. On the contrary, no one is more satisfied of this fact than I am." The Writings of George Washington 1798 letter.

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Some folks may not know that such letters are considered by the most professional researchers, archivists and truth detectives to be THE MOST PRIMARY OF SOURCES

There's plenty of other evidence to document that Washington himself was, in fact, such a globalist.

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Here's what I have found in in my limited research of this quote thus far:

That quote from Washington was in a 1978 letter from Washington to George Washington Snyder

Back in the day the phrase 'satisfied of' indicated that it had been proven to his satisfaction not that he was pleased with what had been proven.

http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-...8&division=div1

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Mount Vernon, October 24, 1798.

Revd Sir: I have your favor of the 17th. instant before me; and my only motive to trouble you with the receipt of this letter, is to explain, and correct a mistake which I perceive the hurry in which I am obliged, often, to write letters, have led you into.

It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am.

The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a seperation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned.

My occupations are such, that but little leisure is allowed me to read News Papers, or Books of any kind; the reading of letters, and preparing answers, absorb much of my time. With respect, etc..

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Quick background on the Illuminati and Masons:

Adam Weishaupt 1748 - 1830
Founder of the Illuminati [on 1 May 1776] and possibly the first promoter of Novus Ordo Seclorum, NWO which would include:
· Abolition of monarchies and all ordered governments,
· Abolition of private property and inheritances,
· Abolition of patriotism and nationalism,
· Abolition of family life and the institution of marriage, and the establishment of communal education of children,
· Abolition of all religion.

Weishaupt was initiated into the Masonic Lodge "Theodor zum guten Rath", at Munich in 1777. He began working towards incorporating his system of Illuminism with that of Freemasonry.


Short version: Washington was aware of the illuminati and called their beliefs pernicious. He was stating he did not believe the masonic lodges in the US had had their policies been co-opted by illuminati tenets.

If you don't read the background and rest of the letter and look at the time frame of Weishaupt and the Illuminatti it is easy to misinterpret this quote as Washinton supporting the Illuminatti. This is not to say by 1798 individual followers of the Illuminatti had not spread to the United States.

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Back in the day the phrase 'satisfied of' indicated that it had been proven to his satisfaction not that he was pleased with what had been proven.

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That's always the way I understood it. THanks for your background material.

Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #59

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Short version: Washington was aware of the illuminati and called their beliefs pernicious. He was stating he did not believe the masonic lodges in the US had had their policies been co-opted by illuminati tenets.

If you don't read the background and rest of the letter and look at the time frame of Weishaupt and the Illuminatti it is easy to misinterpret this quote as Washinton supporting the Illuminatti. This is not to say by 1798 individual followers of the Illuminatti had not spread to the United States.

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Quote: FP123 wrote in post #60

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Back in the day the phrase 'satisfied of' indicated that it had been proven to his satisfaction not that he was pleased with what had been proven.

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That's always the way I understood it. THanks for your background material.

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My pleasure.

Two things I found to be interesting in my research.

The Illuminati were founded on May Day.

Their tenets read like an early version of Marxism/Communism/Fascism.

Quote: Quix wrote in post #61

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Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #59

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Short version: Washington was aware of the illuminati and called their beliefs pernicious. He was stating he did not believe the masonic lodges in the US had had their policies been co-opted by illuminati tenets.

If you don't read the background and rest of the letter and look at the time frame of Weishaupt and the Illuminatti it is easy to misinterpret this quote as Washinton supporting the Illuminatti. This is not to say by 1798 individual followers of the Illuminatti had not spread to the United States.

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AGREED.

I've always been a bit torn and puzzled on that score.

I do realize that the infiltration and overtaking of the Masons by the satanic illuminati was still a work in progress at the time of Washington . . . IIRC.

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