Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #65

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Quote: Quix wrote in post #61

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Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #59

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Short version: Washington was aware of the illuminati and called their beliefs pernicious. He was stating he did not believe the masonic lodges in the US had had their policies been co-opted by illuminati tenets.

If you don't read the background and rest of the letter and look at the time frame of Weishaupt and the Illuminatti it is easy to misinterpret this quote as Washinton supporting the Illuminatti. This is not to say by 1798 individual followers of the Illuminatti had not spread to the United States.

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AGREED.

I've always been a bit torn and puzzled on that score.

I do realize that the infiltration and overtaking of the Masons by the satanic illuminati was still a work in progress at the time of Washington . . . IIRC.

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The Illuminati infiltration of the upper echelons would have started after Weishauptt was initiated in 1777 in Germany.

It 's important to remember things just didn't move as fast as today. No phones, no internet, no planes.

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Quote: musiclady wrote in post #83

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Maybe Quix can give me a whittled down explanation as to what Dan (and I presume he) believes is evidence that the American Revolution and the French Revolution were the result of globalism.

Dan sure can't seem to carry on a rational conversation.....

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This thread is to take the other discussion perceived to derail the Colin Powell thread and give it a more fitting forum of its own.

I understand that some would prefer to have this in the paranormal forum. I don't think that's the MOST fitting forum.

I will try and respond to musiclady's query to Dan in a paragraph shortly. I think that algernonpj would be better suited to give a better summary.

Quote: Quix wrote in post #1

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I will try and respond to musiclady's query to Dan in a paragraph shortly. I think that algernonpj would be better suited to give a better summary.

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OK, MY VERY BRIEF per request . . . answer to music lady's query.

1. There have long been very monied and powerful families in Europe. Some trace their power and wealth back to Rome.

2. Those monied 30 or so families {I don't recall if it's 30 or so European families--probably fewer just European--it's roughly 30 or so families worldwide now} have long been very skillful in mostly maintaining and INCREASING both their power and their money from generation to generation. Yes, there have been defections and losses here and there but overwhelmingly that's been true. And sometimes, new individuals were included in the club.

3. Those powerful people engineered the French Revolution and the so called "Enlightenment." Yes, they suffered losses here and there, too but they have always found it useful to play all sides against the middle as they moved the puzzle pieces inexorably toward a global government.

4. Those forces have been traced in their relationships, finances, power centers and power moves and strategies to all the significant global events--and certainly all the wars since the French Revolution--including the Revolutionary War of Independence for the USA.

I think that's about as brief a summary as I can manage. I hope that speaks to what you were asking about. Algernonpj and others can furnish specific personages, family names etc, if you desire. Certainly the Rothschild's have been key from early on to this moment.

Quote: GourmetDan wrote in post #2

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Quote: Quix wrote in post #1

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I will try and respond to musiclady's query to Dan in a paragraph shortly. I think that algernonpj would be better suited to give a better summary.

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I appreciate your efforts, but I think you will quickly find that the posters in question have absolutely no interest in the subject.

By their fruits you will know them...

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Algernon . . . I think this quote in the paragraph just below your bolded part . . . indicates that George Washington knew and considered it irrefutable that SOME individuals in the Masons HAD taken on the illuminati values and goals:

Zitat

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That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a seperation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned.

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Quote: GourmetDan wrote in post #18

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By their fruits you will know them...

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Quote: GourmetDan wrote in post #19

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I appreciate your efforts, but I think you will quickly find that the posters in question have absolutely no interest in the subject.

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Quote: GourmetDan wrote in post #24

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Quote: GourmetDan wrote in post #19

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I appreciate your efforts, but I think you will quickly find that the posters in question have absolutely no interest in the subject.

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<crickets>

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Quote: GourmetDan wrote in post #24

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Quote: GourmetDan wrote in post #19

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I appreciate your efforts, but I think you will quickly find that the posters in question have absolutely no interest in the subject.

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<crickets>

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Quote: Justme wrote in post #27

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THIS!

How can you not see this as argumentative and rude?

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The quality that I respect most in people is honesty. For that reason I AM honest. I say what I mean, and never hide in passive-aggressive, self-important word games.

That's why I am deeply disturbed by Passive-Aggressive Dan's behavior here.

One of the qualities I have appreciated most about RR is that we can disagree civilly and openly (case in point, when I said that I still respected President Bush, and no one.....NO ONE attacked ME for it, even those who have a completely opposite view. It was fanstastic).

I am afraid that the duo of Quix and Dan will disturb what has been now a long-term respect here on RR.

Quix doesn't believe what I say. He thinks he's got me all figured out and put me in a little Quix box. And he won't be persuaded.

Dan doesn't believe what I say. He, through his cowardly back door manner, accused me of being a liar yesterday. It was an FR flashback, and it was ugly.

It is my view that these two are potentially jeopardizing the quality in this forum that has not been achieved in any previous forum I've participated on.

But I have confidence in Justme and the mods to make sure they don't spam other threads and keep their pseudo-religious views on threads of their own making.

The truth is, I didn't come to this thread because of Dan's and Quix's bad behavior.

If I want to find out why anyone thinks Cornwallis and crazy George III were globalists, I'll look elsewhere.........

NOT to Quix and p-a Dan.

Quote: Justme wrote in post #27

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Quote: Quix wrote in post #21

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You may well be right. However, I am foolish enough and . . . bloody enough . . . to persistently try and bend over backwards giving the benefit of the doubt.

And, for all musiclady's feistiness . . . I think there's at least some kernel of serious curiosity there.

In any case . . . time will tell.

I certainly understand your dismay and feelings and frustrations on the matter . . . as I'm sure you know.

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THIS!

How can you not see this as argumentative and rude?

Zitat

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. I think there's at least some kernel of serious curiosity there.

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You think. How about just believing her???

How often do you get angry that you "feel" others speak for you or they put word in your fingers? But here you go doing just that.

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Because he doesn't respect others.