Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #15

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Just like gun control debate, drones are not sentient beings, they require a human being to operate.

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #15

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Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #14

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If cops were going around in cruisers shooting people, without due process - I'd think we would have a much larger situation to deal with than banning vehicles. Apparently you're comfortable with the idea of giving the DOJ unlimited and unchecked power without needing to use due process first - the rest of us aren't.

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Ridiculous point, this has little to do with the DOJ and power, other than the fact that these devices are both called "drones' according to Webster's dictionary.

Just like firearms, they are not sentient beings, they require a human being to operate.

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Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #17

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I tend to look at things through the lens of, "How will this policy be abused down the road...?" kind of thing. You seem to trust those in government having our best interest at heart - I don't. This administration is capable of anything and God knows what the end result is going to be if we keep trampling on the Constitution.

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #18

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Personally, I don't buy the conspiracy theories about Obama. I think he's so dedicated to his "legacy" that he'd never try something like that.

What scares me much more are the under-the-radar ways in which he will try to put the US on a permanent path towards Democrat party control.

Which is why I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, they undermine the credibility of the really bad things Obama actually is doing and we have full proof of.

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #18

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Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #17

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I tend to look at things through the lens of, "How will this policy be abused down the road...?" kind of thing. You seem to trust those in government having our best interest at heart - I don't. This administration is capable of anything and God knows what the end result is going to be if we keep trampling on the Constitution.

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Personally, I don't buy the conspiracy theories about Obama. I think he's so dedicated to his "legacy" that he'd never try something like that.

What scares me much more are the under-the-radar ways in which he will try to put the US on a permanent path towards Democrat party control.

Which is why I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, they undermine the credibility of the really bad things Obama actually is doing and we have full proof of.

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Quote: FP123 wrote in post #19

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #18

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Personally, I don't buy the conspiracy theories about Obama. I think he's so dedicated to his "legacy" that he'd never try something like that.

What scares me much more are the under-the-radar ways in which he will try to put the US on a permanent path towards Democrat party control.

Which is why I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, they undermine the credibility of the really bad things Obama actually is doing and we have full proof of.

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Just curious, what exactly do you mean by "conspiracy theories?"

(Personally, I believe that it is a heavily loaded and worn out phrase that has lost all relevant meaning at this point in time. JMO.)

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Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #20

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That's just it: We have full proof of the very bad thing of grabbing unchecked power for the Executive Branch bypassing Congress via the use of drones for the targeted killing of American Citizens WITHOUT DUE PROCESS! That's not a conspiracy theory. That's fact. And that's just ONE abuse of power among many this administration has committed. Were he a republican he would have been impeached 100 times by now.

What scares me the most is the length and depth many Americans will go to to defend or ignore these abuses of power!

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #21

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Quote: FP123 wrote in post #19

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #18

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Personally, I don't buy the conspiracy theories about Obama. I think he's so dedicated to his "legacy" that he'd never try something like that.

What scares me much more are the under-the-radar ways in which he will try to put the US on a permanent path towards Democrat party control.

Which is why I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, they undermine the credibility of the really bad things Obama actually is doing and we have full proof of.

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Just curious, what exactly do you mean by "conspiracy theories?"

(Personally, I believe that it is a heavily loaded and worn out phrase that has lost all relevant meaning at this point in time. JMO.)

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Conservativegramma said that Obama was "capable of anything".

I disagreed.

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #22

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Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #20

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That's just it: We have full proof of the very bad thing of grabbing unchecked power for the Executive Branch bypassing Congress via the use of drones for the targeted killing of American Citizens WITHOUT DUE PROCESS! That's not a conspiracy theory. That's fact. And that's just ONE abuse of power among many this administration has committed. Were he a republican he would have been impeached 100 times by now.

What scares me the most is the length and depth many Americans will go to to defend or ignore these abuses of power!

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Ok, but that has nothing to do with drones in and of themselves. Drone, just like firearms, are just a tool.

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Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #24

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We're not just talking about drones.

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Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #24

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #22

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Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #20

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That's just it: We have full proof of the very bad thing of grabbing unchecked power for the Executive Branch bypassing Congress via the use of drones for the targeted killing of American Citizens WITHOUT DUE PROCESS! That's not a conspiracy theory. That's fact. And that's just ONE abuse of power among many this administration has committed. Were he a republican he would have been impeached 100 times by now.

What scares me the most is the length and depth many Americans will go to to defend or ignore these abuses of power!

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Ok, but that has nothing to do with drones in and of themselves. Drone, just like firearms, are just a tool.

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We're not just talking about drones. We're talking about the constitutional violation of bypassing congress in order to declare the targeted killing of American citizens by the Executive Branch without due process. That's what I have a problem with. If POTUS can do that overseas, and gets by with it, he is fully capable of instituting it here at home. And that is not a conspiracy theory.

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Anyone that is even a casual student of history is aware of what this policy can lead too. again, a program that can be used to protect our borders is being morphed into a weapon that can in the wrong hands be used AGAINST American citizens. big SIS has made the administrations position clear, middle class Americans, Tea Party, Conservatives, NRA members, thelist goes on are the "real" enemy. People and an Administration with that mindset and philosphy should never be allowed to have un hindered access to weapons such as the drones.

Quote: MartyM wrote in post #27

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Anyone that is even a casual student of history is aware of what this policy can lead too. again, a program that can be used to protect our borders is being morphed into a weapon that can in the wrong hands be used AGAINST American citizens. big SIS has made the administrations position clear, middle class Americans, Tea Party, Conservatives, NRA members, thelist goes on are the "real" enemy. People and an Administration with that mindset and philosphy should never be allowed to have un hindered access to weapons such as the drones.

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Quote: MartyM wrote in post #27

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Anyone that is even a casual student of history is aware of what this policy can lead too. again, a program that can be used to protect our borders is being morphed into a weapon that can in the wrong hands be used AGAINST American citizens. big SIS has made the administrations position clear, middle class Americans, Tea Party, Conservatives, NRA members, thelist goes on are the "real" enemy. People and an Administration with that mindset and philosphy should never be allowed to have un hindered access to weapons such as the drones.

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #28

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Quote: MartyM wrote in post #27

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Anyone that is even a casual student of history is aware of what this policy can lead too. again, a program that can be used to protect our borders is being morphed into a weapon that can in the wrong hands be used AGAINST American citizens. big SIS has made the administrations position clear, middle class Americans, Tea Party, Conservatives, NRA members, thelist goes on are the "real" enemy. People and an Administration with that mindset and philosphy should never be allowed to have un hindered access to weapons such as the drones.

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The article is about the Florida police though, not Obama.

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