WKMG Orlando
February 6, 2013

Police want legislation that would limit their use of drones to include an exception for crowd control.

The sponsor, though, told a Senate committee on Wednesday he would vote against his own bill if such an exception is added.

Sen. Joe Negron, a Stuart Republican, said the exception would have allowed King George to use drones against the Boston Tea Party if the unmanned aircraft had existed in the 18th century.

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http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Florida...l2/-/index.html

Crowd control huh? Sounds like the ground work is being laid to take out any dissenters protesting government tyranny, i.e, today's Tea Party.

I'm sure it's just because they are "cash strapped" and can't afford the officers on the ground!

I think this is silly.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly comfortable with Obama's use of drones to assassinate American citizens.

But seeing as how police already have helicopters, I don't see the problem with drones for police work.

Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #4

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I think this is silly.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly comfortable with Obama's use of drones to assassinate American citizens.

But seeing as how police already have helicopters, I don't see the problem with drones for police work.

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #4

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I think this is silly.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly comfortable with Obama's use of drones to assassinate American citizens.

But seeing as how police already have helicopters, I don't see the problem with drones for police work.

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Quote: FP123 wrote in post #5

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[quote=Weird Tolkienish Figure|p14912]I think this is silly.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly comfortable with Obama's use of drones to assassinate American citizens.

But seeing as how police already have helicopters, I don't see the problem with drones for police work.

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Ok... should we ban police helicopters then?

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #6

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Ok... should we ban police helicopters then?

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When police helicopters are given carte blanche by the DOJ to start killing American citizens without due process - YES!

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #6

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Ok... should we ban police helicopters then?

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Most jurisdictions don't have any justifiable need for most of the equipment and arms that they have. In most states, having a few positioned at key areas could probably be sufficient for them to handle the few instances in which they are required. (I'm not at all happy with the militarization of all of the "police" forces, from federal, state, on down. It isn't appropriate, nor should it be tolerated in a free society.)

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #10

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Quote: FP123 wrote in post #8

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #6

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Ok... should we ban police helicopters then?

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Most jurisdictions don't have any justifiable need for most of the equipment and arms that they have. In most states, having a few positioned at key areas could probably be sufficient for them to handle the few instances in which they are required. (I'm not at all happy with the militarization of all of the "police" forces, from federal, state, on down. It isn't appropriate, nor should it be tolerated in a free society.)

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I do agree about "militarization" in certain aspects (such as SWAT teams, etc.) but I do not think an unarmed and unarmored helicopter is "militarization".

Ever been to an airport in Europe? Those cops are *really* militarized.

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When police helicopters are given carte blanche by the DOJ to start killing American citizens without due process - YES!

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Are these particular drone given carte blanche to start killing Americans?

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Zitat

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If police were given "carte blanche" to start killing Americans in police cars, would you ban police cars?

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If the police cars will be used to start killing American citizens without due process - again - yes!

Zitat

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No, you'd correct the behavior. Same issue here.

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And how do we correct the behavior when the bad behavior is coming from Congress in violation of the Constitution, from an administration that has no respect for the rule of law?

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Given the recent developments from the DOJ regarding drones being used to start killing American citizens without due process overseas, what proof do you have the DOJ won't institute the same policy here?

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If the police cars will be used to start killing American citizens without due process - again - yes!

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So if cops were going around in cruisers shooting people, you'd think a good solution would be to ban the vehicles?

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Quote: conservgramma wrote in post #12

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Given the recent developments from the DOJ regarding drones being used to start killing American citizens without due process overseas, what proof do you have the DOJ won't institute the same policy here?

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It's impossible to prove a negative.

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If the police cars will be used to start killing American citizens without due process - again - yes!

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So if cops were going around in cruisers shooting people, you'd think a good solution would be to ban the vehicles?

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If cops were going around in cruisers shooting people, without due process - I'd think we would have a much larger situation to deal with than banning vehicles. Apparently you're comfortable with the idea of giving the DOJ unlimited and unchecked power without needing to use due process first - the rest of us aren't.

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If cops were going around in cruisers shooting people, without due process - I'd think we would have a much larger situation to deal with than banning vehicles. Apparently you're comfortable with the idea of giving the DOJ unlimited and unchecked power without needing to use due process first - the rest of us aren't.

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