Foaming-at-the-mouth libs in 3… 2… 1.

(Christianity Today) — The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) may have thought it had the upper hand when it filed suit against a North Carolina county for opening its board meetings with explicitly Christian prayers. After all, the federal Establishment Clause of the Constitution prohibits the government from interfering with citizens’ religious exercise.

But a new bill introduced in the North Carolina state legislature would protect the county’s right to prayer in an unconventional way: bynullifying any federal regulations or court rulings regarding religion.

Eleven House lawmakers already have signed on to the bill, which “would [allow North Carolina to] refuse to acknowledge the force of any judicial ruling on prayer in North Carolina—or indeed on any Constitutional topic,” according to WRAL, a local news source.

The bill asserts that each state has the right to determine how to apply the Constitution and “does not prohibit states or their subsidiaries from making laws respecting an establishment of religion.”

The state-level attempt to preserve public prayer is unique, but not necessarily unprecedented—and courts are split on the legality of similar attempts. Last week, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals recentlyupheld a city’s prayer policy, just one day after a district court ruled that a county board in Pennsylvania cannot open its meetings with Christian prayers.

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/04/04/north...state-religion/

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Eleven House lawmakers already have signed on to the bill, which “would [allow North Carolina to] refuse to acknowledge the force of any judicial ruling on prayer in North Carolina—or indeed on any Constitutional topic,” according to WRAL, a local news source.

The bill asserts that each state has the right to determine how to apply the Constitution and “does not prohibit states or their subsidiaries from making laws respecting an establishment of religion.”

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This is why I'm no longer really comfortable with the way things are going on the conservative side of politics. I have had my eyes opened to what is going on and can't go back to the way things were before. These theocratic moves are not conservative at all.

If this was in Dearborn, MI by muslims you all would be up in arms.

So with this post I bid you all adieu.

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This is why I'm no longer really comfortable with the way things are going on the conservative side of politics. I have had my eyes opened to what is going on and can't go back to the way things were before. These theocratic moves are not conservative at all.

If this was in Dearborn, MI by muslims you all would be up in arms.

So with this post I bid you all adieu.

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The aclu never attacks the supreme court on this issue, why not.

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Quote: steph wrote in post #3

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This is why I'm no longer really comfortable with the way things are going on the conservative side of politics. I have had my eyes opened to what is going on and can't go back to the way things were before. These theocratic moves are not conservative at all.

If this was in Dearborn, MI by muslims you all would be up in arms.

So with this post I bid you all adieu.

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Steph, go back and re-read it again. The title is misleading. They aren't establishing an official 'state' religion. They are protecting prayer and the right to pray publicly if you desire without judicial infringement.

This law would protect all faiths.....Christian, jewish, muslem or even Hindu. It protects people of faith from agnostics who have been attacking prayer for years now. Long overdue IMO.

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... But Catawba College politics professor Michael Bitzer told the Salisbury Post that the bill is based on the "discredited legal theory" that individual states are more powerful than the federal government....

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It looks as if this is a states right's issue protecting public prayer. All the headlines in a search make it look like NC is declaring a state sponsored religion.

I haven't yet found a link to the actual bill.

For anyone interested, I found link to the bill:

http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookU...submitButton=Go

http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2013/Bills.../PDF/H494v0.pdf

http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2013/Bills.../PDF/H494v1.pdf

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For anyone interested, I found link to the bill:

http://www.ncleg.net/gascripts/BillLookU...submitButton=Go

http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2013/Bills.../PDF/H494v0.pdf

http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2013/Bills.../PDF/H494v1.pdf

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A religious state is a bad idea.

One day they may have more citizens that practice another religion.

NEVER Mind.

Here's the bill converted to word. Can anyone copy and paste where its says Christianity?

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GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NORTH CAROLINA SESSION 2013

H.J.R. 494
Apr 1, 2013
HOUSE PRINCIPAL CLERK

H D HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION DRHJR10194-MM-54 (03/19)

Sponsors: Representatives Ford and Warren (Primary Sponsors). Referred to:


1 A JOINT RESOLUTION TO PROCLAIM THE ROWAN COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA,
2 DEFENSE OF RELIGION ACT OF 2013.
3 Whereas, the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the Constitution of
4 the United States reads:"…Congress shall make no law respecting an Establishment of
5 Religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…"; and
6 Whereas, this prohibition does not apply to states, municipalities, or schools; and
7 Whereas, in recent times, the federal judiciary has incorporated states,
8 municipalities, and schools into the Establishment Clause prohibitions on Congress; and
9 Whereas, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads: "The
10 powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States,
11 are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."; and
12 Whereas, the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States prohibits
13 the federal government and prohibits the federal courts from expanding the powers of the
14 federal government beyond those powers which are explicitly enumerated; and
15 Whereas, the Constitution of the United States does not grant the federal
16 government and does not grant the federal courts the power to determine what is or is not
17 constitutional; therefore, by virtue of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United
18 States, the power to determine constitutionality and the proper interpretation and proper
19 application of the Constitution is reserved to the states and to the people; and
20 Whereas, each state in the union is sovereign and may independently determine how
21 that state may make laws respecting an establishment of religion; and
22 Whereas, Rowan County, North Carolina, asserts that the protections afforded to
23 citizens of the United States under the First Amendment are not in any way to be abridged
24 when such citizens become government actors by virtue of their appointment, election,
25 contract, employment, or otherwise engagement; and
26 Whereas, Rowan County, North Carolina, requests and encourages the North
27 Carolina General Assembly to pass a resolution declaring that the State of North Carolina does
28 not recognize the authority of federal judicial opinions arising from the exertion of powers not
29 granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States; Now, therefore,
30 Be it resolved by the House of Representatives, the Senate concurring:
31 SECTION 1. The North Carolina General Assembly asserts that the Constitution
32 of the United States of America does not prohibit states or their subsidiaries from making laws
33 respecting an establishment of religion.
34 SECTION 2. The North Carolina General Assembly does not recognize federal
35 court rulings which prohibit and otherwise regulate the State of North Carolina, its public
36 schools, or any political subdivisions of the State from making laws respecting an
37 establishment of religion.


*DRHJR10194-MM-54*

General Assembly of North Carolina Session 2013

1 SECTION 3. This resolution is effective upon ratification.

DRHJR10194-MM-54 (03/19)

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The Speaker of the House in North Carolina said the state religion resolution is dead & will not be voted on.
The people in Rowan County just want to be able to continue saying a prayer before their meetings as they've done for over two hundred years.

One of my first thoughts when I think of theocracy is The Crucible by Arthur Miller. I'm sure most are familiar with it.

The idea of having my thoughts examined by a religious court leaves me chilled with fear. I could not defend myself in a religious court. I'm an admitted sinner. I would be among the first at the gallows.

This is what I wonder about steph...

Is she fearful because she sees something I have missed? I have no way of knowing.

But my heart goes out to her because I want to understand.