Quote: FP123 wrote in post #14

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #12

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They'll never sell the base on this no matter how hard they try. Pointless.

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I don't think that they care any longer. A mountain of email messages, faxes, and telephone calls are unlikely to stop them this time around. I don't believe enough of them any longer feel any responsibility or obligation to reflect the will of their constituents via their voting. That's one of the side-effects of the intense party line divide -- Rs aren't too worried that their voters will vote for a D in the next election, and vice versa for the Ds. Most of them that have been in office for any length of time feel confident that they have enough $$$ and power to survive primary challenges.

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One of the side effects of voting party line and being partisan? I thought that was the prime reason they want partisans voting party line.

Quote: sneakypete wrote in post #16

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Quote: FP123 wrote in post #14

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #12

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They'll never sell the base on this no matter how hard they try. Pointless.

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I don't think that they care any longer. A mountain of email messages, faxes, and telephone calls are unlikely to stop them this time around. I don't believe enough of them any longer feel any responsibility or obligation to reflect the will of their constituents via their voting. That's one of the side-effects of the intense party line divide -- Rs aren't too worried that their voters will vote for a D in the next election, and vice versa for the Ds. Most of them that have been in office for any length of time feel confident that they have enough $$$ and power to survive primary challenges.

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One of the side effects of voting party line and being partisan? I thought that was the prime reason they want partisans voting party line.

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I'm sure that they want/like that Pete. I meant "side effect" in the sense that it gives them a great deal of protection to do as they please, which is not what the voting public (well at least some small part of it) really wants. (The bulk of the voting public doesn't give a damn what they do.)

Quote: FP123 wrote in post #17

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(The bulk of the voting public doesn't give a damn what they do.)

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Too much of the public is distracted by what entertains them to pay attention to what their representatives are doing. I don't see how this will change in the future.

Quote: Palinista wrote in post #18

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Quote: FP123 wrote in post #17

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(The bulk of the voting public doesn't give a damn what they do.)

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Too much of the public is distracted by what entertains them to pay attention to what their representatives are doing. I don't see how this will change in the future.

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It will change by getting worse. The modern equivalent of "Bread and Circuses" has taken over with a vengeance!

Quote: Palinista wrote in post #5

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Rubio has put his popularity amongst his colleagues in the Senate over the rights of the American people. I hope his career is damaged irreparably and that it never recovers.

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This "amnesty bill" leaves the border wide open. Surely, Rubio knows that and he still pushes...I think his popularity has taken a bad turn with conservatives.

Quote: FP123 wrote in post #14

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #12

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They'll never sell the base on this no matter how hard they try. Pointless.

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I don't think that they care any longer. A mountain of email messages, faxes, and telephone calls are unlikely to stop them this time around. I don't believe enough of them any longer feel any responsibility or obligation to reflect the will of their constituents via their voting. That's one of the side-effects of the intense party line divide -- Rs aren't too worried that their voters will vote for a D in the next election, and vice versa for the Ds. Most of them that have been in office for any length of time feel confident that they have enough $$$ and power to survive primary challenges.

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The last time I remember the political elite responding to voter pressure was when TARP first came up for a vote. TARP was soundly defeated. Then everyone was brought into a private meeting, and lo and behold TARP passed.

Quote: Olivia wrote in post #20

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This "amnesty bill" leaves the border wide open. Surely, Rubio knows that and he still pushes...I think his popularity has taken a bad turn with conservatives.

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But his popularity is on the rise with establishment types and the Beltway money men. That will give him all the boosting he wants for a run in '16. Look how effective it was for McLame and Romney with clearing the Primary field. Once that is done, they will sell him as more Conservative than Reagan and if the base has any issues with that, it will be our fault Biden/Clinton will win in '16. It is all a scam and I am not interested in playing anymore. FU Rubio.