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That's for sure. Problem solvers need to look at the facts correctly if they are to fix the problem.

The next question I'd ask is if she had her guns under lock and key?

At some point the problem becomes akin to having a pitbull with small children. Some swear by their temperament while the news is full of exceptions.

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I have looked and followed the Sandy Hook story to try and discover if the guns used were locked up so far I have not seen a bit of information one way or the other.

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Which is why the calls for gun control are ridiculous. We don't even know the facts yet.

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Aspergers is recognized as a developmental disorder, not a mental illness. You wouldn't know that from the media coverage.

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That's for sure. Problem solvers need to look at the facts correctly if they are to fix the problem.

The next question I'd ask is if she had her guns under lock and key?

At some point the problem becomes akin to having a pitbull with small children. Some swear by their temperament while the news is full of exceptions.

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I have looked and followed the Sandy Hook story to try and discover if the guns used were locked up so far I have not seen a bit of information one way or the other.

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Which is why the calls for gun control are ridiculous. We don't even know the facts yet.

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Aspergers is recognized as a developmental disorder, not a mental illness. You wouldn't know that from the media coverage.

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That's the first I've heard that Lanza had Aspergers.

Also not to say you're wrong with your distinction Palinista, I'm sure you're right, but most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a mental illness and a developmental disorder. How does that distinction play out in this situation? Is Aspergers more inherently dangerous than the others?

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That's for sure. Problem solvers need to look at the facts correctly if they are to fix the problem.

The next question I'd ask is if she had her guns under lock and key?

At some point the problem becomes akin to having a pitbull with small children. Some swear by their temperament while the news is full of exceptions.

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I have looked and followed the Sandy Hook story to try and discover if the guns used were locked up so far I have not seen a bit of information one way or the other.

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Which is why the calls for gun control are ridiculous. We don't even know the facts yet.

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Aspergers is recognized as a developmental disorder, not a mental illness. You wouldn't know that from the media coverage.

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That's the first I've heard that Lanza had Aspergers.

Also not to say you're wrong with your distinction Palinista, I'm sure you're right, but most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a mental illness and a developmental disorder. How does that distinction play out in this situation? Is Aspergers more inherently dangerous than the others?

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That's just it, TM. He wasn't mentally ill, as far as I have heard. I have only heard that he had Aspergers.

See, his mother is dead. His father has only issued one public statement saying that he is cooperating with the police and he would hope people would respect his privacy.

The sheriff's office of Newtown, an anonymous member of that department, said that he had Asperger's. It's not like Lanza's psychiatrist or family doctor have come forward with a statement.

And then there was the "uncle" who wasn't an uncle who talked about psychiatric medications that Lanza was on. The press ran with that and it was all a lie. None of that was true.

So we are left with the Asperger's diagnosis that came from the sheriff's office and NOTHING ELSE. There is no other information.

Now, that doesn't mean that he didn't have a dual diagnosis. But, it doesn't mean that it did.

And even with Asperger's I don't know that a layman is able after-the-fact to look at Lanza and say, "This is who he was and this is how he behaved, and this why this happened." I really think we need more information from his family and from his doctors. We don't have that right now.

I am sitting in a wait-and-see mode. I don't know enough about the young man. I'm willing to wait and see what we do know later. My reasoning is because I would hate for my emotional reaction to be "Oh. He had Aspergers? That sounds scary."

Do you understand what I mean?

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That's for sure. Problem solvers need to look at the facts correctly if they are to fix the problem.

The next question I'd ask is if she had her guns under lock and key?

At some point the problem becomes akin to having a pitbull with small children. Some swear by their temperament while the news is full of exceptions.

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I have looked and followed the Sandy Hook story to try and discover if the guns used were locked up so far I have not seen a bit of information one way or the other.

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Which is why the calls for gun control are ridiculous. We don't even know the facts yet.

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Aspergers is recognized as a developmental disorder, not a mental illness. You wouldn't know that from the media coverage.

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That's the first I've heard that Lanza had Aspergers.

Also not to say you're wrong with your distinction Palinista, I'm sure you're right, but most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a mental illness and a developmental disorder. How does that distinction play out in this situation? Is Aspergers more inherently dangerous than the others?

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That's just it, TM. He wasn't mentally ill, as far as I have heard. I have only heard that he had Aspergers.

See, his mother is dead. His father has only issued one public statement saying that he is cooperating with the police and he would hope people would respect his privacy.

The sheriff's office of Newtown, an anonymous member of that department, said that he had Asperger's. It's not like Lanza's psychiatrist or family doctor have come forward with a statement.

And then there was the "uncle" who wasn't an uncle who talked about psychiatric medications that Lanza was on. The press ran with that and it was all a lie. None of that was true.

So we are left with the Asperger's diagnosis that came from the sheriff's office and NOTHING ELSE. There is no other information.

Now, that doesn't mean that he didn't have a dual diagnosis. But, it doesn't mean that it did.

And even with Asperger's I don't know that a layman is able after-the-fact to look at Lanza and say, "This is who he was and this is how he behaved, and this why this happened." I really think we need more information from his family and from his doctors. We don't have that right now.

I am sitting in a wait-and-see mode. I don't know enough about the young man. I'm willing to wait and see what we do know later. My reasoning is because I would hate for my emotional reaction to be "Oh. He had Aspergers? That sounds scary."

Do you understand what I mean?

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Wait and see seems like the correct mode to me. Cerftainly we cannot depend on the American Press to help us sort out this issue. They are masters at jumping to conclusions before the facts are on the table. For example: who now calls Jared Laughner a Tea Partier?

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Remember all the big, high-sounding media talk right after the massacre at Sandy Hook about how maybe now we will have a "national dialogue" about guns? Remember how many members of the media vowed to put aside their own little, selfish, partisan agendas and get serious about making this a safer and saner country for our children?

Well, here we are 12 days out, and what's that big media conversation on guns about?

Whether or not "Meet the Press" host David Gregory broke a law by waving an empty ammunition clip on the air Sunday during an interview with the NRA's Wayne LaPierre and how many people have signed petitions to deport CNN talkshow host Piers Morgan for verbally insulting any gun advocate foolish enough to come on his joke of an interview show.

Could the media be more pathetic?

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U-h-h-h-h....I think that was a rhetorical question.

There are persistent credible reports from others who were on the same website . . . that

he worshiped satan and had posted a number of posts affirming that.

There's also a report that that geographic area was known to be a satan worshiping hot spot.

Personally, the stuff documenting the two fathers (Aurora and CT) being heavily into the elite's scandal stuff . . .

the video games and the meds the elite's black psych-ops folks use to set-up genetically vulnerable off spring to pull such operations . . .

I just have no doubt any longer in my mind that it was a globalist operation targeting gun confiscation.

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That's for sure. Problem solvers need to look at the facts correctly if they are to fix the problem.

The next question I'd ask is if she had her guns under lock and key?

At some point the problem becomes akin to having a pitbull with small children. Some swear by their temperament while the news is full of exceptions.

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I have looked and followed the Sandy Hook story to try and discover if the guns used were locked up so far I have not seen a bit of information one way or the other.

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Which is why the calls for gun control are ridiculous. We don't even know the facts yet.

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They probably had the calls for gun control typed, videoed, polished and ready before the operation ever began.

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There are persistent credible reports from others who were on the same website . . . that

he worshiped satan and had posted a number of posts affirming that.

There's also a report that that geographic area was known to be a satan worshiping hot spot.

Personally, the stuff documenting the two fathers (Aurora and CT) being heavily into the elite's scandal stuff . . .

the video games and the meds the elite's black psych-ops folks use to set-up genetically vulnerable off spring to pull such operations . . .

I just have no doubt any longer in my mind that it was a globalist operation targeting gun confiscation.

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There is another gap in the logic of these mental-health experts. They think they are doing a good job with limited resources, but the public disagrees. Over $100 billion is spent on mental health. When more money goes into the system, more people get diagnosed as needing services. The incremental funding is rarely used for the most seriously ill. Witness California: In 2005, California voters passed the Mental Health Services Act, a 1 percent tax on millionaires to provide services for people with “serious mental illness.” As someone with a mentally ill relative, I thank Californians for that. But when the money rolled in, the mental-health system turned their backs on the seriously mentally ill. The California mental-health system diverted money to fund hip-hop car washes, gardens for Hmong, massage chairs for government employees, and public-relations firms to convince the public that all is well. The mental-health experts investigated these reports and found nothing wrong. The state auditor is investigating, and I believe her conclusion will differ.

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This is true in my experience. When you see the billing practices of these agencies that "provide services" it is disgusting. The fact is these poor sick individuals are merely a commodity for these "non profit" agencies. A whole lot of the billing done in the name of treatment is not actually with the patient.

Those are all useful and interesting questions.

I didn't LOOK FOR conspiracy stuff.

It was slapping me (and others) upside the head from the early moments of the event. It had all the earmarks from the beginning. Additional information has only confirmed that fact.

The questions you ask are worth tracking answers to. I just believe that those answers if and when they come, will either be subservient to the larger picture--or not matter to it.

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There are persistent credible reports from others who were on the same website . . . that

he worshiped satan and had posted a number of posts affirming that.

There's also a report that that geographic area was known to be a satan worshiping hot spot.

Personally, the stuff documenting the two fathers (Aurora and CT) being heavily into the elite's scandal stuff . . .

the video games and the meds the elite's black psych-ops folks use to set-up genetically vulnerable off spring to pull such operations . . .

I just have no doubt any longer in my mind that it was a globalist operation targeting gun confiscation.

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Why look for a conspiracy theory when all of the facts are not known about the case, yet?

Where were the guns stored in the home?

What access did Adam Lanza have to the guns?

Why did he kill his mother?

Why did he kill the children?

Why did he destroy his computer?

What information has been traced on the internet?

What trail computerized did he leave behind him?

Who did he contact on the internet or in the outside world?

What contact did he have with other people?

If he did not have contact with others, why is that?

What was his diagnosis?

What was his treatment?

Why did his mother leave him home alone in the days before the shooting?

There are too many unknowns in this case. And I believe there are too many known unknowns to come to any conclusions yet.

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Those are all useful and interesting questions.

I didn't LOOK FOR conspiracy stuff.

It was slapping me (and others) upside the head from the early moments of the event. It had all the earmarks from the beginning. Additional information has only confirmed that fact.

The questions you ask are worth tracking answers to. I just believe that those answers if and when they come, will either be subservient to the larger picture--or not matter to it.

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There are persistent credible reports from others who were on the same website . . . that

he worshiped satan and had posted a number of posts affirming that.

There's also a report that that geographic area was known to be a satan worshiping hot spot.

Personally, the stuff documenting the two fathers (Aurora and CT) being heavily into the elite's scandal stuff . . .

the video games and the meds the elite's black psych-ops folks use to set-up genetically vulnerable off spring to pull such operations . . .

I just have no doubt any longer in my mind that it was a globalist operation targeting gun confiscation.

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Why look for a conspiracy theory when all of the facts are not known about the case, yet?

Where were the guns stored in the home?

What access did Adam Lanza have to the guns?

Why did he kill his mother?

Why did he kill the children?

Why did he destroy his computer?

What information has been traced on the internet?

What trail computerized did he leave behind him?

Who did he contact on the internet or in the outside world?

What contact did he have with other people?

If he did not have contact with others, why is that?

What was his diagnosis?

What was his treatment?

Why did his mother leave him home alone in the days before the shooting?

There are too many unknowns in this case. And I believe there are too many known unknowns to come to any conclusions yet.

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Simple solution, If someone under the care of a Mental Health Professional goes postal . . . hold the Mental Health Professional liable and put 'em in prison for being negligent.

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I have looked and followed the Sandy Hook story to try and discover if the guns used were locked up so far I have not seen a bit of information one way or the other.

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There are persistent credible reports from others who were on the same website . . . that

he worshiped satan and had posted a number of posts affirming that.

There's also a report that that geographic area was known to be a satan worshiping hot spot.

Personally, the stuff documenting the two fathers (Aurora and CT) being heavily into the elite's scandal stuff . . .

the video games and the meds the elite's black psych-ops folks use to set-up genetically vulnerable off spring to pull such operations . . .

I just have no doubt any longer in my mind that it was a globalist operation targeting gun confiscation.

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I have looked and followed the Sandy Hook story to try and discover if the guns used were locked up so far I have not seen a bit of information one way or the other.

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I read somewhere that the guns were locked up in the basement where the young man lived.

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Quite a fanciful construct of innuendos from precious few facts Quix. The problem with this type of construct [yellow?] is that some, none or all of it may be true.

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