Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #15

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We don't even know the facts yet.

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Quote: Mr_Magoo wrote in post #12

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Simple solution, If someone under the care of a Mental Health Professional goes postal . . . hold the Mental Health Professional liable and put 'em in prison for being negligent.

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I appreciate all this searching and groping around for all manner of other explanations. It's a LOT more attractive than facing the facts that are known.

I have a good friend of my dad who's been staying with him a month while he settles his aunt's estate.

He has admitted that he's deliberately sticking his head in the sand because he can't bear to face the condition the world is in and where the country is headed.

He has a 12 year old grandson he's planning to set up a college fund for.

Yet, he's denying the very facts necessary to even help the kid stay alive long enough to POSSIBLY be ABLE to go to college if such is even available by then.

How sensible is that?

Not at all.

Yet, fears, wimping out, NORMALCY BIAS etc. help maintain millions of people in willful blindness to facts and handwriting on almost every other wall and billboard available.

Fantasies last only so long. And when they crash and burn, the cost of FACING REALITY

THEN

IS GREATLY HIGHER than if reality had been faced a lot sooner.

My goodness Quix!!! You're a hard man to dissuade.

The globalist oligarchy theory, the divorced father-angry son theory, the psych medication theory, the video game theory, the connection between the Auroro CO and Newtown CT shootings theory.

OK, you say these theories are facts? In one sense the theories have facts. But do these FACTS relate to the Lanza shootings?

Sorry, I can't buy into your conclusion, the aren't proven to be germaine, causal facts to the Lanza shootings.

From my perspective you really need to learn the difference between causal FACTS based on evidence and your own assumption theories based on a loose correlation.

TM

Quote: Quix wrote in post #30

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Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #28

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Quite a fanciful construct of innuendos from precious few facts Quix. The problem with this type of construct [yellow?] is that some, none or all of it may be true.

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That's an easy . . . and plausible assertion to make.

ACTUALLY, It's NOT fanciful at all. It's simply paying attention for 45 years to the ways of the globalist oligarchy.

AND, it's NOT being seduced and deluded by the very VERY POWERFUL "NORMALCY BIAS" that the globalists capitalize on to hide and confuse the perceptions about their doings with great practice and skill . . . as well as EXTENSIVE OPINION MANIPULATING resources.

And, certainly the oligarchy has had a lot of practice and training at muddying the waters; spreading disinformation; covering their tracks; using misdirection etc.

Nevertheless, when their major themes are evident in a situation, I consider it foolishness to pretend that something else is going on.

They are also artists at DECEPTION.

The FACT that BOTH Aurora and CT fathers

1. were involved in testifying regarding the SAME ELITE scandal is telling enough;
2. were involved in high levels of finance for the elite is telling enough;

3. had sons who were ideal genetic candidates for such violent stooges
. . . . (A) additionally had psycho-dynamic ATTACHMENT DISORDER junk of significant useful degrees
. . . . (B) additionally had resulting interests and obsessions that made them particularly great candidates to be violent stooges
. . . . . . . (1) obsessions with violent video games
. . . . . . . (2) excellent excuses "reasons" to have them prescribed precisely the right psycho-active drugs that more or less on their own can trigger "wonderfully violent" acting out episodes quite tailor-made for such an assigned violent stooge role.
. . . . . . . (3) obsessively followed the nihilistic, isolationist memes, themes, fantasies that precisely fit such a violent stooge role.

3. were divorced . . . adding to the sons' being even more set-up as great candidates for the anger toward absent fathers and other authorities all quite contributive toward violent acting out--all the more so given the other points above.

4. were in the precise kinds of associations, relationships, authority circles from which such off-spring candidates for such operations are routinely selected.

The above are THE FACTS. There's a lot else that's also fact contributive to my conclusions but that much is largely unarguable, imho.

AND, imho,

5. The fathers were of the same or similar values orientation quite compliant with such a demand or seduction or order from the black-psych-ops folks who had selected their sons for such operations.

6. The fathers were in positions of elite power such that they would dare not refuse to surrender their own sons for such an operation. Besides, they'd largely turned their backs on their sons long ago, anyway.

Of course, there will always be plenty of . . . data bits . . . sufficient to rationalize all manner of other explanations. And the oligarchy bought and controlled media will be happy to cheer on all manner of other fantasies about what happened and why.

However, in this case, the above facts are quite sufficient for me. I don't need to waste a lot of time chasing other futile MISDIRECTION and DECEPTION RIDDEN rabbit trails.

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"The wise man sees calamity coming and prepares for it."

Where does this come from Quix? FWIW, a "wise" man sees more than just calamity coming his way, right?

I've known of some Aspergers folks to lash out harshly and unrealistically in some situations.

Their frustration can get to be extreme in some situations.

However, that's a far stretch from the sort of violence we've seen.

imho, a LOT of extra stuff would have had to have been input into him over some time span for him to act as he did--Aspergers or no Aspergers.

Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #35

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"The wise man sees calamity coming and prepares for it."

Where does this come from Quix? FWIW, a "wise" man sees more than just calamity coming his way, right?

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Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #34

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My goodness Quix!!! You're a hard man to dissuade.

The globalist oligarchy theory, the divorced father-angry son theory, the psych medication theory, the video game theory, the connection between the Auroro CO and Newtown CT shootings theory.

OK, you say these theories are facts? In one sense the theories have facts. But do these FACTS relate to the Lanza shootings?

Sorry, I can't buy into your conclusion, the aren't proven to be germaine, causal facts to the Lanza shootings.

From my perspective you really need to learn the difference between causal FACTS based on evidence and your own assumption theories based on a loose correlation.

TM

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Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #35

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"The wise man sees calamity coming and prepares for it."

Where does this come from Quix? FWIW, a "wise" man sees more than just calamity coming his way, right?

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My goodness Quix!!! You're a hard man to dissuade.

The globalist oligarchy theory, the divorced father-angry son theory, the psych medication theory, the video game theory, the connection between the Auroro CO and Newtown CT shootings theory.

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1. The globalist oligarchy "theory"

How many more 100 QUOTES IN THEIR OWN WORDS do you need to read before you remove the truth about the globalist oligarchy from "theory" to fact? 200? 500? 1,000?


http://reality101blog.blogspot.ca/2009/0...onsider-us.html

e.g. Jacques Cousteau:

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129. "It's terrible to have to say this. World population must be stabilized and to do that we must eliminate 350,000 people per day" -- Jacques-Yves Cousteau, oceanographer and humanist, The UNESCO Courier, Nov. 1991, page 13

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Or

SECDEF in the Viet Nam war, Robert McNamarra:

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130."The commitment of government to deal with the population issue is of course essential...There are many ways to make the death rate Increase." -- Robert McNamara, Secretary of Defense, New Solidarity, March 30, 1981

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Or UN AGENDA 21 on the same issue?

or

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131. The First and Second World Wars were wars designed to kill millions were not successful enough hence the new methods outlined in the Global 2000 Report...The world is populated with too many redundant people who must not be allowed to procreate and consume scarce natural resources...The Committee of 300 (Illuminati) commissioned Cyrus Vance to write a paper on this subject of how to bring about such genocide. The paper was produced under the title 'Global 2000 Report' and was accepted and approved for action by former President James Earl Carter, and Edwin Muskie, then Secretary of States, for and on behalf of the US Government." -- Dr. John Coleman, former intelligence agent of British MI6, from his report, Global 2000: A Blueprint For Global Genocide, written in 1992 concerning the depopulation agenda of the Club of Rome

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Would it take 200 such quotes in their own words?

Would it take 500 for you to begin to accept THE TRUTH? THE TRUE FACTS?

Would you have to have all the living Presidents in the same room with you writing out their confessions in their own blood before you'd believe it?

Would you have to have 50 judges; 100 judges, 500 judges, 99% of the judges and juries in North America, Australia, New Zealand and the UK declare it true before you'd believe it? How many?

WHEN, in the next 100 years, have you scheduled the great miracle of you believing THE TRUE FACTS on such scores . . . and that it's so far BEYOND "theory" as to be well beyond absurd?

2. The divorced father angry son "theory?"

Uhhhhh . . . 95% of the prisoners in all our prisons have horrific degrees of ATTACHMENT DISORDER from absent, and/or cold and/or abusive and/or distant etc. fathers.

Does it have to be 100% before you accept the reality of such dynamics? Does each prisoner in the USA have to write out their biography in their own blood in a personal letter to you before you believe the reality?

Does each shooter have to write in their own blood of the walls of the school or theater that their motivation came from:

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50% father caused attachment disorder
20% psychoactive drugs
20% violent video games
10% black psych-ops programming in the middle of the night wherein drugs caused them to forget the memory of having been so programmed

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before you'll believe such are factors are real and involved? And even if each shooter did that--how many feet high of research docs and professional proofs would you have to read to believe it was true?

3. I don't recall exactly how many shooting incidents we have had in 2012 . . . and I don't recall how many involved psychoactive drugs. IIRC, it was above 50%. Would it have to be 100% before you'd believe they were a factor?

4. The SCIENTIFIC research on the correlation between violent video games and physically acted out violence IS CONCLUSIVE. There's no longer any doubt. I'd guesstimate there's well over 30 solid research studies demonstrating that. There may be 100's. I haven't checked in a long time. How many thousand such studies would you have to read before you'd accept that as fact instead of theory?

Sigh.

Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #34

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My goodness Quix!!! You're a hard man to dissuade.

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I didn't realize I was arguing with a watchman, I thought I was arguing with you Quix.

I didn't see any evidence that what I said was absorbed by you.

My point was your "facts" may be true on their own but they don't necessarily apply to this situation and as such they would be false conclusions.

Over the years I've personally seen many appear saying they were speaking for God when they were simply mistaken.

Time always reveals the difference between wisdom and folly in a man's words.

For our dialogue, I'm content with voicing my opinions as such and letting God over time validate them or not.

I'm not comfortable telling others that I'm their watchman which means I have the thoughts of God.

Are you? or was that a touch of humor that I missed?

Quote: Quix wrote in post #41

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Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #34

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My goodness Quix!!! You're a hard man to dissuade.

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Would you REALLY WANT

a more dissuadable man

as a

Watchman on the wall?

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Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #42

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I didn't realize I was arguing with a watchman, I thought I was arguing with you Quix.

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I didn't see any evidence that what I said was absorbed by you.

My point was your "facts" may be true on their own but they don't necessarily apply to this situation and as such they would be false conclusions.

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ACTUALLY, I did and DO AGREE with that. I just chose to spring board a somewhat different direction and emphasize the factual nature of those factors in these situations.


HOWEVER, I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY DO APPLY TO THESE SITUATIONS. I believe the evidence of that is abundant and diverse.


And, I believe that folks who simply refuse to see or wrap their minds or understanding around that out of NORMALCY BIAS or some other 'block' are unwise and potentially will suffer unnecessarily because of such blindness.


Over the years I've personally seen many appear saying they were speaking for God when they were simply mistaken.


OF COURSE. That was true in Bible times, too.

However, God doesn't seem to bother much about honest earnest people making errors in hearing Him or even in relating what they believe they have heard from Him. HE DOES GET UPSET WITH RAW, RANK, across the board UNBELIEF; disobedience; rebellion; idolatry etc.

He seems to have lots of Grace for folks making lots of good faith errors. He has a lot more Grace for us than we do for each other.


Time always reveals the difference between wisdom and folly in a man's words.


True. However, in many situations, we don't have the LUXURY of WAITING very long for umpteen layers of confirmation. We have to seek God's inner PEACE on a matter and act accordingly. FOLLOW AFTER PEACE is a good Biblical standard. Holy Spirit is rarely !URGENT! in His communications. He knows plenty ahead of time to communicate ahead of time.

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For our dialogue, I'm content with voicing my opinions as such and letting God over time validate them or not.

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Likewise.

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I'm not comfortable telling others that I'm their watchman which means I have the thoughts of God.

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I do NOT recall telling you or anyone else that God had assigned me as YOUR PERSONAL WATCHMAN. I don't, per se, believe that He has.

It may be that He has assigned me to speak to a sphere of influence that you are a part of. IF SO, then you, as always in any context, would be wise to take anything and everything I or anyone else says TO HIM for CONFIRMATION or DISCONFIRMATION.

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Are you? or was that a touch of humor that I missed?

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I think that's answered above. But you can certainly ask The Lord how He sees me. Perhaps He'll tell you something interesting. If so, please share it.