Quote: Justme wrote in post #15I'll never be this cynical
Sen. Saxby Chambliss: Let me just emphasize, this is nothing particularly new. This has been going on for seven years under the auspices of the FISA authority and every member of the United States Senate has been advised of this.
To my knowledge, we have not had any citizen who has registered a complaint relative to the gathering of this information. It is simply what we call metadata that is never utilized by any governmental agency unless they go back to the FISA court and show that there’s real cause as to why something within the metadata should be looked at.
That’s been very clear all along through the years of this program. It is proved meritorious, because we have gathered significant information on bad guys, but only on bad guys, over the years.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
"If people can’t trust not only the executive branch but also don’t trust Congress, and don’t trust federal judges, to make sure that we’re abiding by the Constitution with due process and rule of law, then we’re going to have some problems here." - Barack Obama, June 7, 2013
To all the GOPe supporters: Looking at your past record of losses from your RINO candidates we have nothing to lose by trying a 3rd party since the results will arguably be the same.
The down side to declaring people mentally ill to justify confiscating their firearms is that if they win the fire fights they already have the insanity defense ...
ZitatThe first is the long-term and intentional dumbing down of the American people. The second, the incarnation of a celebrity culture as a byproduct of the ill-education of the citizenry as well as the concurrent decline of morality and denigration of religion. The third is this nation's unhealthy obsession with race.
May not be complete, but it certainly captures a great deal of it.
Quote: Rufus T Firefly wrote in post #10If there's a two-horse race and I own both horses, I can't really lose, can I? And I can even get richer getting fools to bet on one horse or the other.
ZitatCould there have been a "worse" outcome?
The reason Xlinton was (s)elected was to get NAFTA passed.
The reason Bush Jr. was (s)elected was to get The Patriot Act passed (it was written well in advance of 9/11, just needed an "event.)
The reason Zero was (s)elected was to get Obamacare passed.
See how it works?
I'll never be this cynical
Certainly your choice. But, you do realize that how you personally feel about it, has no bearing on whether or not it is true.
(And the other side of the coin is there as well, no matter how many of us believe that it is true, that also has no bearing on its veracity.)
It is true or it isn't, regardless of what we think.
Quote: Cedric wrote in post #5Third party (a la Perot), virtually guaranteeing that the WORST candidate will win?
No thanks.
You prefer a choice of worse candidates?
The Democrats roped in a Third Party ringer (Perot) in '92 to get Clinton elected.
Could there have been a "worse" outcome?
You GOP Party Dead Enders give Perot too much blame for something that was purely a GOP issue. Bush 1 ran as Reagan's 3rd term in 88 only to raise taxes and run one of the most lack luster reelection campaigns ever. Bush looked aloof and distant that whole cycle. The Rats didn't even believe they had a chance that election. That is why a no name loser from a 3rd world state ended up winning the Rat nomination. Then after Clintoon demonstrated that he was a waste of space tax and spender, the GOP decided to run an over the hill multiple time loser, Bob Dole, who had absolutely no message other than he was more honorable than Slick. Dole had no programs or any reason to vote for him. It was a joke.
If the GOP would have taken those election seriously, Perot would not have been a factor.
Rex Reed raves: " Frank Cannon is fascinating, informative, engaging and heartbreaking stuff." — New York Observer
Quote: Cedric wrote in post #5Third party (a la Perot), virtually guaranteeing that the WORST candidate will win?
No thanks.
You prefer a choice of worse candidates?
The Democrats roped in a Third Party ringer (Perot) in '92 to get Clinton elected.
Could there have been a "worse" outcome?
Jeeze Cedric, do we keep having to go here again and again?
Yeah, I guess we do.....until and unless the conspiracy fringeballs either climb off the ledge and work to strengthen a legitimate, viable, national, political opposition party (my choice is the GOP) or march off into the political wilderness and show us how "easy" it is to create, fund and promote the longed for mighty, "third horse" in the race.
Now, speaking betting, I'm betting the black helicopter guys kinda like it the way it is. They get to shock and amaze the "unenlightened' with their "revelations" of dark and nefarious cabals out to abuse us helpless waifs, without ever having to do any work that might actually result in improving our dire situation.
Quote: Cedric wrote in post #24 Now, speaking betting, I'm betting the black helicopter guys kinda like it the way it is. They get to shock and amaze the "unenlightened' with their "revelations" of dark and nefarious cabals out to abuse us helpless waifs, without ever having to do any work that might actually result in improving our dire situation.
The people who are rubbing their hands with glee and rejoicing over the Obama scandals still believe in the fairy tale that Boehner's House will impeach and the Senate will convict Obama. Should Obama be impeached and found not guilty, the Republicans will be forever branded as the party that impeaches Democratic presidents and impeached the first black president.
They would never recover so they'll never attempt it.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
"If people can’t trust not only the executive branch but also don’t trust Congress, and don’t trust federal judges, to make sure that we’re abiding by the Constitution with due process and rule of law, then we’re going to have some problems here." - Barack Obama, June 7, 2013
Yeah, I guess we do.....until and unless the conspiracy fringeballs either climb off the ledge and work to strengthen a legitimate, viable, national, political opposition party (my choice is the GOP) or march off into the political wilderness and show us how "easy" it is to create, fund and promote the longed for mighty, "third horse" in the race.
Now, speaking betting, I'm betting the black helicopter guys kinda like it the way it is. They get to shock and amaze the "unenlightened' with their "revelations" of dark and nefarious cabals out to abuse us helpless waifs, without ever having to do any work that might actually result in improving our dire situation.
Who are you calling the fringeballs? The Tea Party? The Conservatives? Both factions find the current GOP a waste of space.
Rex Reed raves: " Frank Cannon is fascinating, informative, engaging and heartbreaking stuff." — New York Observer
ZitatNow, speaking betting, I'm betting the black helicopter guys kinda like it the way it is. They get to shock and amaze the "unenlightened' with their "revelations" of dark and nefarious cabals out to abuse us helpless waifs, without ever having to do any work that might actually result in improving our dire situation.
ZitatNow, speaking betting, I'm betting the black helicopter guys kinda like it the way it is. They get to shock and amaze the "unenlightened' with their "revelations" of dark and nefarious cabals out to abuse us helpless waifs, without ever having to do any work that might actually result in improving our dire situation.
Who are you calling the fringeballs? The Tea Party? The Conservatives? Both factions find the current GOP a waste of space.
The votes would say yes.
I think so many have a huge problem acknowledging we are the minority. So instead of trying to win the way it's done you all convince yourself the fix is in.
Votes matter, and the votes that put most of the players in place were not ours.
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