Quote: Cedric wrote in post #51

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Quote: Eglman wrote in post #50

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so it is quite clear that you are not listening to Cruz because this talking filibuster is so that will force a 60 vote vote

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Ahhhh, Eggie, if he can't get 30, he can't get 51 and if he can't get 51, he can't get 60.

Ya want me to have Tom Coburn explain it to ya?

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Cruz only needs 41 votes for what he is trying to do with the filibuster.

Reid wants to use a 51 vote threshold for stripping out or adding amendments. Something the Senate has not done ALL year. Cruz is using this opportunity to oppose that.

Quote: Palinista wrote in post #11

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Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #6

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Recall how they castigated him for his slow reaction time when told of the original 911 attack while reading to kids? "eight or nine minutes of lingering" that's what we all heard. If it wasn't true Bush himself never denied it.

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This isn't true.

Bush wrote "Decision Points". He also sent his surrogates, Andrew Card and Ari Fleisher out on FOX News to give interviews about what happened while Bush was at the school in Florida. The two of them countered the argument that the president lingered and did nothing. They explained what happened at the school, and what the president learned from Washington and his staff on scene at the school who could tell him what they knew about the attack. He was not reading to the children doing nothing.

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Well indeed he did write "Decision Points" in 2010 but that was AFTER he left office in 2009 and it was nine years after the event. So while you are correct, I'm not sure that this makes a serious counter to my point.

And his surrogates? yes, they did try to stem the daily damage being done by his inability to articulate his own defense, but the number of attacks and their intensity simply were too much. The "enemies" simply learned to swamp these efforts with disdain.

Add to that W's own uncanny ability to hand his enemies the knife with which to stab him:

Sadly, his presidency became a clown act. Defending oneself against the media bias and the partisans who place party above Country is no longer optional for the President and Geo W went down in flames mainly because he was not articulate to begin with and then he chose not to take on his critics issue by issue in a timely manner.

Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #62

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Sadly, his presidency became a clown act. Defending oneself against the media bias and the partisans who place party above Country is no longer optional for the President and Geo W went down in flames mainly because he was not articulate to begin with and then he chose not to take on his critics issue by issue in a timely manner.

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The media changed. The country changed. No Republican is going to have the power of the microphone like Reagan did. Those days are gone.

How do you think you would fair if you were president of the United States? Imagine you as a president that isn't worshipped by the media like Obama. Let the press follow you around 24/7, highlighting every error you make in real time, broadcasting it throughout the world, thus multiplying the impact of your every human foible. After years of that type of beating we'll conduct a poll to see how the uninformed view you. We'll notice that those that hated you before you took office still hate you.

Remember how Gerald Ford was treated? How Romney was treated in 2012?

This is the nature of politics. The politicians are mature enough to understand the game they are playing.