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no wonder the gop is no different than the dems--the establishment type refuses to purge cockroaches when they find them--they make excuses for them and then shoot the messenger--and then claim it's a purity thing (BS)--if norquist and rove are what you want then you can have them--I think they are what is wrong

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When the messenger is a conspiracy wacko who supported Santorum, then fully backed Romney...yeah I'll shoot him

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Now who's demanding purity?

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Not me. I just don't consider the ramblings of a nut case and proven habitual two face media personality worthy

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People can and do have opinions about Beck - Me, I used to watch him when he was on FOX but haven't followed him lately.

At one point on this thread, I tried to steer the discussion somewhat onto Grover Norquist. I even mentioned the fact (at least according to several non-Beck online sources) that he's pushing for so-called "immigration reform" - a red flag if there ever was one.

Now there may be some who consider themselves republicans "in good standing" who see no problem with this. Indeed, the 2012 VP nominee Paul Ryan is pushing this. And who is more republican than that?

But there are others - like me - who hear the McCains and the Boehners and the Ryans calling for immigration reform and know EXACTLY what it means. It means they will have some sort of "grand compromise" with the dems - defined the way compromise is usually defined in DC speak: compromise = we'll do it the democrat's way.

This is so far a pretty good discussion site. For the most part.

But if it's going to become a GOP rah rah site, then I'm out of here.

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No one here is for immigration reform. But using the op to get to that point is like going through your ear to scratch your elbow.

I have never told anyone what to think or what to post. Those are traits not becoming of conservatives, wouldn't you agree? I'm still not convinced how GN, Rove, Will, Beck, Levin etc are able to rally anyone who isn't already in their camp. They don't call the shots or me.