Quote: truthkeeper wrote in post #2

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I'd like to see some examples of the stupid things he is talking about. I wish Gowdy had been more specific, but I guess if they were truly dumb he wouldn't want to repeat them.

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http://www.ipsnews.net/2012/11/obamas-hi...dow-for-change/

In 2000, however, Vice President Al Gore won only 25 percent of the Cuban-American vote in Florida, compared to George W. Bush’s 75 percent.

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Back then, as now, illegal immigration was an issue. I'm a Cuban immigrant myself but I am a strong "Rule of Law" type. If things did not turn out so well back in Cuba, maybe, .... just maybe, ... it had a lot to do with the fact that our Spanish and then Cuban ancestors were not as anal-retentive about that "Rule of Law" thingie as the British and the Americans were. You have to give credit where credit is due. That goes for the Italians too. Once the United States of America also starts treating The Law of the Land with the same nod and a wink that the Old Country did, we are just recreating the same problems we or our parents or our ancesters left the Old Country for.

So, the bottom line issue is not Italians and not Cubans and not Mexicans per say. It is a "Rule of Law Issue".

Fine. So, how did GOP Colorado Congressman Tom Tancedo (who never met a TV camera he did not make love to) frame the illegal alien issue?

By insulting the entire City if Miami, Florida and every single legal immigrant with a Spanish surname in Miami.

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http://www.wnd.com/2006/11/39086/

NOV. 29, 2006: 'Third World' Miami sparks Jeb Bush war
Remarks by Tom Tancredo to WND ignite battle with Florida governor

PALM BEACH, Fla. – A WND interview in which Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., called Miami a “Third World country” has ignited a war of words with Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and other lawmakers insulted by the remark, which is now being echoed in news media across America.

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And this is from a guy with the name "Tancredo" ...... His direct paternal line did not exactly come over on the Mayflower.

Instead of framing the issue as a "Rule of Law" issue, Tancredo frames it as a "those Third World people with Spanish surnames, legal or illegal, and the horse they rode in on".

Now, what do you think the liberal media is going to focus on? Tancredo's stupidity or the fact that Tancredo is also:

"..... Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colorado ....."

Yep. An idiot like Tancredo gives the liberal media a loaded shotgun and says: "Here. Stick the end with the two open holes in the mouth of the GOP and pull the trigger."

How do you get a younger generation of Cuban American voters to keep being "Broken Glass Republicans" if the self-proclaimed "GOP base" fawns over an idiot that has just called them, their parents and their grandparents Third World trash that should never have set foot in the U.S.?

It's like Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz wanting to get elected President and then insulting every Italian American in the State of New York.

"Do we want an America that looks like upper middle class, Cuban American, Republican, Coral Gables after one single generation or do we want an America that looks like lower middle class, Italian American, Democrat. Little Italy of the Bronx after four generations!"

Such red meat would get Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio really Big Bucks at a Cuban American fund-raiser in Coral Gables or Key Biscayne with the doors tightly shut and all cameras, cell phones and video cameras cheacked at the door but it would be absolute political poison if that red meat got out of Cuban American circles.

What is red meat in a Colorado suburban Congressional district might be pure poison in Miami, Florida and what might be red meat among Cuban Americans in Miami might be pure poison in a Northern state that needs to vote for the GOP to gain the White House.

Local Congressional races are won with local red meat. Nationwide Presidential elections are won by following the advice of one of my old Navy Captains that advised his junior officers to "Load brain before firing off mouth".

My Republican roots go so far back that, when I was a kid with a Miami News afternoon paper route back in 1968 and I read that Richard Nixon was going to be landing for the GOP Convention at Miami International Airport at such and such time and day, I took a bus up the the airport to see him, some GOP lady stuck a "Welcome" sign in my hand, dragged me down to the tarmac, and I ended up shaking Richard Nixon's hand before he was even nominated. I even shed a tear when Richard Nixon died because, once upon a time, he was the GOP champion against those "Communist" Democrats. (Back in the late 1960's, Cuban parents in Miami used the term "Democrat" and "Communists" as synonyms.) "RINO" talk does not register with me. The people who now scream "RINO" the loudest are people whose families had been voting Southern Democrat for 136 years in 1968.

To be perfectly blunt, outside its "Base", which is 60% of the 32% of Americans who even call themselves Republicans, the GOP is seen as a Party that spends its energy on hating this and hating that. Hating people with Spanish surnames. Hating people with different sexual lifestyles instead of minding their own business. Even hating the 40% of the GOP that does not think exactly like them.

NEWS FLASH: 60% of 32% equals 19.2% and you CANNOT win a Presidential election by throwing red meat to 19.2% of American voters and dishing out disrespect to every other group, even if that group has voted 75% Republican and has been voting Republican since before your Daddy decided to switch from Southern Democrat to "Everybody Except Us is a RINO".

Quote: Cedric wrote in post #17

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Good points, poly b. However, my beef is with the GOP's self-conscious fixation on its own members' verbal faux pas to the exclusion of the really egregious, vile, harangues spewed daily by Democrats. For every Republican Tancredo there are 100 really twisted, hate-filled, anti-American, liberals being shielded by the MSM. And, until Trey Gowdy has called-out everyone of them by [quote=Cedric|p65350]Good points, poly b. However, my beef is with the GOP's self-conscious fixation on its own members' verbal faux pas to the exclusion of the really egregious, vile, harangues spewed daily by Democrats. For every Republican Tancredo there are 100 really twisted, hate-filled, anti-American, liberals being shielded by the MSM. And, until Trey Gowdy has called-out everyone of them by name, citing specific, quoted, offensive statements, I see no reason for him to chastise fellow Republinas.

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Excellent post, Polybius. I agree.

There has been little positive in the GOP message of late.

Take Obamacare. I fear this law is going to get people killed. So what should the GOP do, be against "Obamacare"? No, they should be against innocent, decent hard-working people of whatever background being killed. Getting rid of Obamacare is merely a means to an end, not the end itself.