Quote: Cincinnatus wrote in post #30

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I believe you might be referring to John Adams: Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

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Still poking around. John Adams said in a Letter to the Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts (11 October 1798)

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We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. -

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Quote: Mr_Magoo wrote in post #32

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Still poking around. John Adams said in a Letter to the Officers of the First Brigade of the Third Division of the Militia of Massachusetts (11 October 1798)

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We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. -

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THANKS THANKS.

Great having the context for that wonderful sentence.

Love this discussion.

Alas, heading to bed. Falling asleep in the Laz-Y-Boy is not near as comfortable and it's silly to sit in front of a screen after the eyes start involuntarily closing with greater and greater frequency! LOL

LUB GENTLEMEN/ GENTLEPERSONS.

Quix,

I see what you mean about Washington. He like most of the Founders was a mix of Faith and failings. (like we all are) I posted above some of his view of Religion and Morality. Yet in 1785 he wrote

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It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati… had not spread in the United States… no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am.

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Yet 8 years later he wrote in a Letter to the Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (January 1793)

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To enlarge the sphere of social happiness is worthy of the benevolent design of a Masonic institution; and it is most fervently to be wished, that the conduct of every member of the fraternity, as well as those publications, that discover the principles which actuate them, may tend to convince mankind that the grand object of Masonry is to promote the happiness of the human race.

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Quote: Mr_Magoo wrote in post #35

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Quix,

I see what you mean about Washington. He like most of the Founders was a mix of Faith and failings. (like we all are) I posted above some of his view of Religion and Morality. Yet in 1785 he wrote

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It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati… had not spread in the United States… no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am.

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Yet 8 years later he wrote in a Letter to the Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (January 1793)

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To enlarge the sphere of social happiness is worthy of the benevolent design of a Masonic institution; and it is most fervently to be wished, that the conduct of every member of the fraternity, as well as those publications, that discover the principles which actuate them, may tend to convince mankind that the grand object of Masonry is to promote the happiness of the human race.

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INDEED.

Well put.

Satan has been planning the GREAT DECEPTION of the END TIMES for millenia.

He and demonic spirit guides began several centuries ago to convince the elite that ALMIGHTY GOD was 'merely an 'also-ran' while satan was the true enlightenment.' WHAT BLASPHEMY!

Satan laughs at the stupidity of his own chief stooges. He knows his days are numbered and that he will lose at Armageddon as he did at the empty tomb and The Cross. Nevertheless, he has convinced the elite that coupled with the ET's (fallen angels), and mankind's . . . something . . . 'spiritual authority on earth?' . . . 'satan, the ET's and mankind will defeat ALMIGHTY GOD at Armageddon and from there control all creation.' Being greedy power-mongers at heart--the elite suck-up the fantasy big-time.

I suspect that Washington was torn--as you note--like St Paul and the rest of us--doing the sin we hate; failing to do the good we would do.

He had to understand something of Almighty God and Scripture. He earnestly prayed to good effect. I believe his vision that some claim was strictly and only from a fiction novel--I believe it had it's roots in an authentic vision of Washington's. I believe God showed him a summary of our history from his day to our END TIMES ERA.

I don't know how overtly satanic the lodge's initiations were in Washington's day. That he wrote about the Illuminists would indicate they were quite solidly off and running on the satanic path by then. And, he had to know something of that. That he was evidently deluded into calling THAT EVIL 'good,' is a commentary on the Biblical admonition: "The heart is deceitfully wicked, who can know it."

I was late to the party in realizing how far back the globalist rot went. I only learned that the last 15 or so years.

I'm increasingly inclined to believe those who claim it went back 400 years. Weispaut/Weisenpaut sp? comes to mind. I forget when he lived. Even the horrid murderer of toddler boys Alister Crowley was 'only' a recent advocate.

Somehow, in all that, God had His way in structuring a government that afforded the wide spread of The Gospel and protection at the right time of Israel as a Nation again just as prophesied.

And, I still believe . . . God set up America as an object lesson: That even the most ideal government constructed theretofore on the planet--APART FROM GOD--would devolve into horrific satanic evil.

I realized long ago that somehow the USA would be bent to the Anti-Christ's goals and satanic will. I just didn't imagine how quickly the overt overlay of such dark evils could rule so thoroughly and so seemingly easily. The illuminists laid their groundwork carefully, long and well.

When Christ rules bodily from Jerusalem, what will the form of government be at National levels? We don't have much evidence on that. Yet, I wonder if it won't be something like the American experiment. Many countries have patterned their constitutions after ours.

Evidently during that 1,000 years, there will still be death. And some measure of evil even though satan will be locked up. No evil thing will be allowed in the New Jerusalem. That implies there's evil outside of it. That implies a need for some sort of government at the National levels.

Clearly there will be Nation states as each is required to go to Jerusalem once a year to worship and offer tribute--those that don't, receive no rain.

So, imho, we come back to the issue . . . how to form a more perfect union . . . errr . . . Constitution for that era.

I guess I'm utterly convinced there is NO REDEEMING the current situation. I can't read recent history and Scripture any other way.

I believe God will protect many, allow some to be martyred . . . etc. But that on the whole, the world WILL GO THROUGH THE WORST TIME that ever has been or ever will be in the future of its whole populated period. There's no rational denying that. There's no preventing that. It's on the schedule.

I think this discussion of the Constitution is interesting, fun and potentially useful--but not for this era--for the one to come on the heels of Armageddon.

And that era will be soooo wholesale different in such a list of ways . . . it is almost folly to fantasize anything about it . . . even how best to rewrite the Constitution. Still . . . it is a fascinating thing to contemplate, imho.

And, I think it is useful to sort out . . . where has our Constitution as it is, afforded the most leeway for evil to proliferate?

I think this issue is somehow dismissed overmuch and over quickly in people's minds: THE PRIORITY OF HUMILITY and the PRIORITY OF LOVING KINDNESS on the part of leaders.

In some respects, it surprises me that our Founders did not incorporate more codification of those priorities in the founding documents. They certainly knew of their importance.

This is long enough. I'll go on about that in the next post.

. . . to promote the happiness of the human race . . .

I think that's a flawed priority goal.

For centuries wise folks have realized that

to put God first--to glorify and worship HIM results in our greatest happiness.

Seeking happiness first and foremost not only does not work--it puts the cart before the horse and ignores ALMIGHTY GOD's part in happiness.

THAT

NEVER

WORKS.

Why not codify . . . to whatever extent doable and practical . . . the supremely priority values of HUMILITY and LOVING KINDNESS as requirements for leaders in a Constitutional, democratic flavored Republic? I think it's doable.


{If folks think this should be a separate thread, fine with me. Just let me know.}


It seems to me that even without modern communications, there can be citizen vote affirmations or purges based on their perceptions, assessments of a leader's manifestations of those qualities.

It seems to me that the 4 years possibly 8 years of a President's rule is not workable. Too much is lost playing the election game. By the same token, 6 years is too long for an arrogant, OThuga type ruler to visit destruction and mayhem upon the Nation.

Why not have at the 3 year mark of a one time 6 year term a referendum on

WHAT DEGREE the President had seemingly genuinely

DISPLAYED, MANIFESTED

--HUMILITY
----in ruling, administering
----in staff and public relationships

--LOVING KINDNESS
----in his influence on legislation
----in his writing and influence on regulations
----in his writing and administration, application, enforcement of said laws and regulations.

I would define loving-kindness to include emphatic suppression, punishment of clear evil.

I don't know what level/criteria such a referendum should optimally reach. That could be derived most likely from seeking God's face about it.

I just know that HUMILITY turns out to be a crucial--ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL quality for leaders. And the more Nationally known and influential the leaders, the more crucial it is.

And as such, it seems foolish to leave it out of the Constitutional REQUIREMENTS for President as well as for congress critters.

Think of all the L2's prancing about on the public stage. Barbara Boxerface, Feinstink, OThuga, SKerry, Shrillery, . . .

HUMILITY--authentic humility would neuter their poison at the source. That they have none is one of the reasons they are so evil.

We have medical check-ups for the President etc. Why not a spiritual/psychological check-up?

Let the Constitution frankly deal with the realities that are so crucial to our welfare.

imho.

I went ahead and started another thread since it seemed fitting--instead of clogging this one with a too strong a tangent.

The new thread is here:

FOUNDING DOCUMENTS REFINED, ENLIVENED for CHRIST'S MILLENIAL REIGN thought experiment

Adam Weishaupt 1748 - 1830
founder of the Illuminati and possibly the first promoter of Novus Ordo Seclorum, NWO which would include:

Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #40

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Adam Weishaupt 1748 - 1830
founder of the Illuminati and possibly the first promoter of Novus Ordo Seclorum, NWO which would include:

Abolition of monarchies and all ordered governments,

Abolition of private property and inheritances,

Abolition of patriotism and nationalism,

Abolition of family life and the institution of marriage, and the establishment of communal education of children,

Abolition of all religion.

Sound familiar?

http://www.illuminati-news.com/adam-weishaupt.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt

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Quote: Quix wrote in post #41

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Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #40

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Adam Weishaupt 1748 - 1830
founder of the Illuminati and possibly the first promoter of Novus Ordo Seclorum, NWO which would include:

Abolition of monarchies and all ordered governments,

Abolition of private property and inheritances,

Abolition of patriotism and nationalism,

Abolition of family life and the institution of marriage, and the establishment of communal education of children,

Abolition of all religion.

Sound familiar?

http://www.illuminati-news.com/adam-weishaupt.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt

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Right. Thanks. Thanks.

I don't keep all those details, much less the spellings, in my active or retrievable memory very well any more.

That certainly puts the whole shebang within range for at least some of the founding fathers to have been polluted with by the values and goals of the evil group. I realize that some researchers insist that all or virtually all the Founding fathers were on board with such goals. I don't know if that's true, or not. Maybe you or Mr Magoo can tell me your perspective on the issue.

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NO sweat.

THX THX.