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#16 | RE: You Cannot Be More Liberal Than a Liberal datum

Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:23 pm (Last edited: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:26 pm)

Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #12
Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #10
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There is a HUGE difference between the Bushes and the Clintons and Obamas. The difference can hardly even be measured it is so vast.

Not as much as one would like to believe.

I believe Musiclady was using some of the finest sarcasm I have seen in a while here when she wrote that.

Actually, I wasn't.

I don't bring it up often because I'm in a small minority even here and don't want to cause disturbances, but I know more about George W. Bush than most, and I respect him for both his character and integrity...........both qualities which are completely lacking in any Clinton or any Obama.

(I disagreed with a number of his policies).

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#17 | RE: You Cannot Be More Liberal Than a Liberal datum

Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:26 pm

Quote: Palinista wrote in post #9
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #8
Quote: Palinista wrote in post #7
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #6

I suppose I need to stop trying to figure it out, but why do so few people see this blatant hypocrisy?

Because in their minds there is no morality and the ends justify the means. Moving the machine forward is all that matters to them. They only care about themselves and their agenda. They do not respect anyone else. They are incapable of caring for anyone else.

I understand that about the people in the machine, but what about all the people in the country who just don't care that Clinton is a filthy, deceitful, creepy man, or that Obama is an arrogant, incessant liar?

The 'leaders' of the left obtain wealth and power with the agenda. The American people, forgive the expression, just get screwed.

Why don't they care about the abject hypocrisy of leftist leaders? Why do so many accept it? (At least 51%, judging from the last election.....)

Two points. They either believe that through luck or good fortune that one day they'll gain power and influence themselves. Or they know they won't and they want everyone to suffer equally.

The meanest person I have ever known has the tiniest most bitter heart. She revels in others' misfortune. She laughs when people that she knows suffer. This is because she is a miserable little creature with no joy or love in her heart. She wants everyone to experience the pain and discomfort that she does. Only then does she feel a glimmer of happiness.

She truly is pathetic and little with no regard for anyone other than herself. Her entire world view is "Let me get what I can, screw everyone else."

In her mind, Obama is a black man and she hates black people. But, she hears him and "He's talkin' bout the man spreadin' the wealth around." She thinks, "Yeah. Let me get some of that." She identifies with this ideology because it is greedy.

But don't you know kind, thinking people who have fallen for Obama?

They're the ones I'm completely baffled by.

Why doesn't their own moral integrity keep them from being liberals?

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#18 | RE: You Cannot Be More Liberal Than a Liberal datum

Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:31 pm (Last edited: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:31 pm)

Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #10
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There is a HUGE difference between the Bushes and the Clintons and Obamas. The difference can hardly even be measured it is so vast.

Not as much as one would like to believe.

The Bushes, like the Clintons and Obamas are all NWO globalists who have slowly and insidiously enlarged federal government and promoted policies that facilitate moving the US into global governance. The Bushes enabled and set the stage for the Clintons and Obama.

without spending a lot of time, Bush II:
Supported having an Arab State run port security

Like his father embraced Free Trade agreements that erode our national sovereignty, hand over our immigrtiion policies to the UN and WTO

Embroiled in two no-win nation building experiments in Afghanistan and Iraq

Abandoned Ramos and Compean

Called those who wanted secure borders vigilantes

Supported TARP, violated the free market to 'save' the free market
�I�ve abandoned free-market principles to save the free-market system.� � George W. Bush

Signed and pushed for No Child Left Behind massively expanding the role of the Federal government in education

Signed and pushed for the 750 Billion Dollar Medicare Part D (as part of the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003 (MMA)

Pushed for Amnesty for Illegal Aliens

Never pushed for giving those in charge of immigration the tools need for accurate, timely assessements

Pushed for 'ownership society', i.e. abetted home loans for those who could not afford them

Signed the Patriot act, enabling expansion of the surveillance and police state

He created the Orwellian DHS - Homeland Security - via Executive Order 13228 of October 8, 2001

Fast tracked Saudi Students onto US campuses after 9-11

Did not invalidate Clinton's EO on 'Dial one for English/ which Clinton signed just before Bush took office.

Cut taxes but raised domestic spending

I understand those policy issues and disagreements with conservatives, but I was talking about a vast difference in personal integrity.

There truly is no comparison.

btw, I was on FR when the immigration hullaballoo happened, and know a bit about the situation, and the overstatement in emotion of Bush's guilt regarding immigration. Though I disagreed with his policy, the personal fury at him was absurd.

With that statement I will cease and desist. Just know that I am not alone among conservatives in not sharing a hatred for George W. Bush.

In fact, there are millions of us.

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#19 | RE: You Cannot Be More Liberal Than a Liberal datum

Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:50 pm

Quote: musiclady wrote in post #18

I understand those policy issues and disagreements with conservatives, but I was talking about a vast difference in personal integrity.

Personal integrity is meaningless when your policies mirror those of extremely low character. I also judge a man by the company he keeps. If you take note, the first people on the scene to bash Palin and Conservatives, besides the Leftists, are always Bush II administration people. They are also first to trash the Tea Party. Karl Rove, Dana Perino, David Frum, Steve Schmidt et al. All human debris. The only one in that administration worth any respect is Cheney.

Let's also remember that Bush was the one that set up 90% of the bailouts and Govt' take overs before Zero even was President. What a solid guy.

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#20 | RE: You Cannot Be More Liberal Than a Liberal datum

Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:51 pm

Quote: musiclady wrote in post #17
Quote: Palinista wrote in post #9
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #8
Quote: Palinista wrote in post #7
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #6

I suppose I need to stop trying to figure it out, but why do so few people see this blatant hypocrisy?

Because in their minds there is no morality and the ends justify the means. Moving the machine forward is all that matters to them. They only care about themselves and their agenda. They do not respect anyone else. They are incapable of caring for anyone else.

I understand that about the people in the machine, but what about all the people in the country who just don't care that Clinton is a filthy, deceitful, creepy man, or that Obama is an arrogant, incessant liar?

The 'leaders' of the left obtain wealth and power with the agenda. The American people, forgive the expression, just get screwed.

Why don't they care about the abject hypocrisy of leftist leaders? Why do so many accept it? (At least 51%, judging from the last election.....)

Two points. They either believe that through luck or good fortune that one day they'll gain power and influence themselves. Or they know they won't and they want everyone to suffer equally.

The meanest person I have ever known has the tiniest most bitter heart. She revels in others' misfortune. She laughs when people that she knows suffer. This is because she is a miserable little creature with no joy or love in her heart. She wants everyone to experience the pain and discomfort that she does. Only then does she feel a glimmer of happiness.

She truly is pathetic and little with no regard for anyone other than herself. Her entire world view is "Let me get what I can, screw everyone else."

In her mind, Obama is a black man and she hates black people. But, she hears him and "He's talkin' bout the man spreadin' the wealth around." She thinks, "Yeah. Let me get some of that." She identifies with this ideology because it is greedy.

But don't you know kind, thinking people who have fallen for Obama?

They're the ones I'm completely baffled by.

Why doesn't their own moral integrity keep them from being liberals?

Because they have been suckered in my social justice. Churches are involved in this a good deal and communities. They want to give to the poor to help them out. But, they forget about teaching a man to fish so he'll never go hungry.

In my own church we have a food bank. There is a friction amongst us. We KNOW we are called to help others and we do. But, it is painful to watch food being handed out to the people who drive up and park in the parking lot with cars that are newer than the church members' and have Obama stickers on the bumpers. They come to us because they know we won't turn them away. We don't. We also know that we are financing their lack of initiative and dependency upon government largess and the church's call to give to the poor.

They know they are taking from us. They don't care. They haven't learned that they don't NEED what we freely give. They have raised on the entitlement mentality.

We know we are supposed to give with a cheerful heart. It makes us uncomfortable to know that we are being taken advantage of, but we still tithe and donate because that is what God has asked.

I put it this way recently... I may not think that this person or that person needs the food we give out. But if in that bag of food there is something that ends up in the stomach of a hungry child that the parent won't take responsibility to care for, then who am I to question God's way?

Orthodoxy SUCKS.

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them."- Galileo Galilei

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#21 | RE: You Cannot Be More Liberal Than a Liberal datum

Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:02 pm

Quote: musiclady wrote in post #17
Quote: Palinista wrote in post #9
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #8
Quote: Palinista wrote in post #7
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #6

I suppose I need to stop trying to figure it out, but why do so few people see this blatant hypocrisy?

Because in their minds there is no morality and the ends justify the means. Moving the machine forward is all that matters to them. They only care about themselves and their agenda. They do not respect anyone else. They are incapable of caring for anyone else.

I understand that about the people in the machine, but what about all the people in the country who just don't care that Clinton is a filthy, deceitful, creepy man, or that Obama is an arrogant, incessant liar?

The 'leaders' of the left obtain wealth and power with the agenda. The American people, forgive the expression, just get screwed.

Why don't they care about the abject hypocrisy of leftist leaders? Why do so many accept it? (At least 51%, judging from the last election.....)

Two points. They either believe that through luck or good fortune that one day they'll gain power and influence themselves. Or they know they won't and they want everyone to suffer equally.

The meanest person I have ever known has the tiniest most bitter heart. She revels in others' misfortune. She laughs when people that she knows suffer. This is because she is a miserable little creature with no joy or love in her heart. She wants everyone to experience the pain and discomfort that she does. Only then does she feel a glimmer of happiness.

She truly is pathetic and little with no regard for anyone other than herself. Her entire world view is "Let me get what I can, screw everyone else."

In her mind, Obama is a black man and she hates black people. But, she hears him and "He's talkin' bout the man spreadin' the wealth around." She thinks, "Yeah. Let me get some of that." She identifies with this ideology because it is greedy.

But don't you know kind, thinking people who have fallen for Obama?

They're the ones I'm completely baffled by.

Why doesn't their own moral integrity keep them from being liberals?

IMHO this is where political correctness / cultural marxism comes.

One is conditioned, like Pavlov's dogs to respond in an emotional, not rational manner, a kind of knee-jerk reaction.

Illegitimi non Carborundum

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#22 | RE: You Cannot Be More Liberal Than a Liberal datum

Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:03 pm

Frank, making wrong decisions or having differing views doesn't mean one lacks integrity. I disagreed with the bailouts. I disagreed with the rationale behind the bailouts.

I believe there are people who are not nearly as conservative as I am in policy who do not necessisarily lack integrity because of it.

And if you look just at Dick Cheney, you'll see an example of where I'm coming from.

He disagreed strongly on some issues, and yet continues to hold a deep respect for President Bush.

I have considered the matter extensively, and have studied the issues.

I disagree with his decisions, but still respect him because of the entire scope of his life, and not just his less-than-conservative policies.

I agree with his tax policy, and am mad that his tax cuts are over. I strongly agree with his unabashed, unyielding pro-life stance. I know how much he respects the military and how much they admired him as Commander in Chief.

I try to look at the whole picture, and come to my own conclusions, and we will have to agree to disagree on this.

Besides which, as brownsfan always said when war started Bush bashing (brownsfan was no fan of Bush's). "Bush is in the past. I'm not here to argue about him."

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#23 | RE: You Cannot Be More Liberal Than a Liberal datum

Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:10 pm

Quote: algernonpj wrote in post #21

IMHO this is where political correctness / cultural marxism comes.

One is conditioned, like Pavlov's dogs to respond in an emotional, not rational manner, a kind of knee-jerk reaction.

Ah yes.............the 'reeducation camps' that started in schools, in the media, and in popular culture decades ago.

They've worked.

The revolution against America occurred before the Obama dictatorship began.

It still puzzles me, though.

Your brain didn't disappear. My brain didn't disappear......

Why were so many others so successfully brainwashed by the same efforts you and I rejected?

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#24 | RE: You Cannot Be More Liberal Than a Liberal datum

Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:44 pm

Quote: musiclady wrote in post #6
The thing that bewilders me is not that the left follows Alinsky rules to the letter, but that so many of the American people don't call them on it, or even notice.

...

I suppose I need to stop trying to figure it out, but why do so few people see this blatant hypocrisy?

The majority of Americans have no clue that any of this is going on (they don't pay attention to much of anything beyond their own lives and pop culture -- that's by design).
The majority of those that are "aware" simply don't care.

"So it goes."

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#25 | RE: You Cannot Be More Liberal Than a Liberal datum

Thu Jan 17, 2013 1:55 pm

Quote: FP123 wrote in post #24
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #6
The thing that bewilders me is not that the left follows Alinsky rules to the letter, but that so many of the American people don't call them on it, or even notice.

...

I suppose I need to stop trying to figure it out, but why do so few people see this blatant hypocrisy?

The majority of Americans have no clue that any of this is going on (they don't pay attention to much of anything beyond their own lives and pop culture -- that's by design).

The majority of those that are "aware" simply don't care.

You're so right! The low-information-voters could care less about the national deficit. They feel they're entitled to what the government gives them and the only reality they know is our dumbed down television shows.

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#26 | RE: You Cannot Be More Liberal Than a Liberal datum

Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:09 pm

Yes, Olivia, it is sometimes difficult to say (without sounding like an elitist snob), but we are basically living within a country of semi-illiterate morons. That's why we have the government, culture, and society that we do (and is getting worse with each passing day).

One of the reasons that I don't bother to post or comment much anymore, aside from being a bit busier, is that it is almost too depressing and/or anger-inducing to read and speak truthfully about our current circumstance. (Often I just want to post swears and cusses but I don't since I don't want to offend the sensibilities of others that post here.)

"So it goes."

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#27 | RE: You Cannot Be More Liberal Than a Liberal datum

Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:25 pm

Quote: FP123 wrote in post #26
Yes, Olivia, it is sometimes difficult to say (without sounding like an elitist snob), but we are basically living within a country of semi-illiterate morons. That's why we have the government, culture, and society that we do (and is getting worse with each passing day).

One of the reasons that I don't bother to post or comment much anymore, aside from being a bit busier, is that it is almost too depressing and/or anger-inducing to read and speak truthfully about our current circumstance. (Often I just want to post swears and cusses but I don't since I don't want to offend the sensibilities of others that post here.)

You're not alone in the way you feel. Our schools have become a joke, nothing is taught because of disciplinary problems and our government has become the hand-out of our hard-earned money. My paycheck is seventeen dollars less in order to give others more money. I feel like cursing myself!

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#28 | RE: You Cannot Be More Liberal Than a Liberal datum

Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:27 pm

Quote: FP123 wrote in post #26
Yes, Olivia, it is sometimes difficult to say (without sounding like an elitist snob), but we are basically living within a country of semi-illiterate morons. That's why we have the government, culture, and society that we do (and is getting worse with each passing day).

One of the reasons that I don't bother to post or comment much anymore, aside from being a bit busier, is that it is almost too depressing and/or anger-inducing to read and speak truthfully about our current circumstance. (Often I just want to post swears and cusses but I don't since I don't want to offend the sensibilities of others that post here.)

For you.

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#29 | RE: You Cannot Be More Liberal Than a Liberal datum

Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:28 pm

Quote: FP123 wrote in post #24
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #6
The thing that bewilders me is not that the left follows Alinsky rules to the letter, but that so many of the American people don't call them on it, or even notice.

...

I suppose I need to stop trying to figure it out, but why do so few people see this blatant hypocrisy?

The majority of Americans have no clue that any of this is going on (they don't pay attention to much of anything beyond their own lives and pop culture -- that's by design).
The majority of those that are "aware" simply don't care.

Sure can't argue with that, FP.

When an entire generation gets its news from Jon Stewart, you can tell where we're headed as a country.

Into the abyss......

OK..........never mind that. We're already there.

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#30 | RE: You Cannot Be More Liberal Than a Liberal datum

Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:31 pm

Quote: FP123 wrote in post #26
Yes, Olivia, it is sometimes difficult to say (without sounding like an elitist snob), but we are basically living within a country of semi-illiterate morons. That's why we have the government, culture, and society that we do (and is getting worse with each passing day).

One of the reasons that I don't bother to post or comment much anymore, aside from being a bit busier, is that it is almost too depressing and/or anger-inducing to read and speak truthfully about our current circumstance. (Often I just want to post swears and cusses but I don't since I don't want to offend the sensibilities of others that post here.)

Lots of people feel exactly the same way.

I used to be a patriot, but the country I loved is no more.

We didn't just lose a battle in 2012. We found out that we have lost the war.

That's why, for me, the answer is no longer in politics. We can't win.

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