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Quote: Justme wrote in post #23

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Quote: FP123 wrote in post #20

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(And if anyone wonders why I still wear clothes 20+ years old there are a few factors:
1. They used to be very high quality materials
2. I am a very good launderer, line-air dry almost everything and just air fluff in the dryer to soften up a bit.
3. I am neat and clean, rarely spill food or drink on myself, and rarely get stained even while working.

Now watch, I probably spill red gravy on myself later!)

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4. Somehow I stayed thin, while the other guys got fat

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LOL, that too! I hadn't heard that some in ages, cool tune!

If I really press the issue I have a couple of sweaters and a couple of corduroys from High School that I can squeeze into if I don't breathe too much, even still have a pair of Clarks Wallabees from HS (when they were made in Ireland) that I can knock around in!

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Quote: FP123 wrote in post #20

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Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #17

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Quote: sneakypete wrote in post #11

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China's Outlet Mall is NOT a "American Corporation". It is a GLOBALIST Corporations,with globalist goals and influence. I buy nothing there if I have any other options.

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LOL. Yeah. Because everyone else is selling Made In America/Look for the Union Label stuff. K-Mart, Kohls, Target.

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Used to be LLBean was primarily Made in USA. That changed about 25 years ago. Now all the clothings say "Imported".

Except their trademark Maine hunting boots

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Don't get me started on that TM! I've watch the quality tumble, I suppose that there has been some decrease in price but I've never really bothered to figure that out. I'm just very pissed off that the quality has gone so far down hill, I can't recall the last time I've ordered anything, probably when I got a gift card here and there.

I have 3 versions of these double shirts, called a river man shirt originally if I recall correctly. The ones that are about 20 years old are still in great shape, rich thick supple cotton on both layers, colors still strong, no rips or tears, seams still sound, etc. A couple are about 15 years old and the thickness of the 2 layers is remarkably thinner, they didn't hols their shape and the seams are starting to unravel in a few places, etc. The newest are about 10 years old and the thickness of the cotton is about the same as a cheap T shirt, the inner layer is practically a guaze! Needless to say I will never order them again and mostly wear the 20 year old ones at this point. I may make rags out of the newer ones at some point.

(And if anyone wonders why I still wear clothes 20+ years old there are a few factors:
1. They used to be very high quality materials
2. I am a very good launderer, line-air dry almost everything and just air fluff in the dryer to soften up a bit.
3. I am neat and clean, rarely spill food or drink on myself, and rarely get stained even while working.

Now watch, I probably spill red gravy on myself later!)

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Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #16

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Quote: sneakypete wrote in post #15

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Quote: sneakypete wrote in post #11

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China's Outlet Mall is NOT a "American Corporation". It is a GLOBALIST Corporations,with globalist goals and influence. I buy nothing there if I have any other options.

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And I hope you drive a Ford, not some imported globalist piece of crap.

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Why? Are you so delusional that you think Fords are made in America?

How much Wal-Mart stock do you own?

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Oh, I didn't notice your answer.....

But my answer to your question is: Zero stock. I don't buy into the "Walmart is the devil" crowd either.

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I hate to post from a progressive site but read this before you declare your love for Wally World:

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0207-34.htm

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Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #25

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Quote: FP123 wrote in post #24

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I've got BB blazers that are closer to 30 years old and still look new!

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Oddly enough, most of my shirts are Brooks Brothers. They custom make them for me and it isn't that much more than off the rack. I still wear french cuffs and having them made is about the only way to get them anymore.

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Italian/americans (usually whose families hailed from the areas around naples) call tomato (meat sauce), gravy. This is very common in NY. I worked in a restaurant that served the red stuff and it took me quite a while to call it sauce. Marinara, is usually called sauce...but not the stuff with the meatballs and sausage in it..thats gravy. Geeze, havent you guys ever watched the sopranos? lol

I shop at walmart, weekly...my donation is usually up around $100 a week. I buy toiletries, cleaning things, candles, snacks and a whole lotta this and that, there. Oh..and I love Big Macs. I dont eat them daily or even weekly..but when I am in the mood, I have NO problem with McDonalds food.

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Italian/americans (usually whose families hailed from the areas around naples) call tomato (meat sauce), gravy. This is very common in NY. I worked in a restaurant that served the red stuff and it took me quite a while to call it sauce. Marinara, is usually called sauce...but not the stuff with the meatballs and sausage in it..thats gravy. Geeze, havent you guys ever watched the sopranos? lol

I shop at walmart, weekly...my donation is usually up around $100 a week. I buy toiletries, cleaning things, candles, snacks and a whole lotta this and that, there. Oh..and I love Big Macs. I dont eat them daily or even weekly..but when I am in the mood, I have NO problem with McDonalds food.

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Quote: Just Ducky wrote in post #35

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Italian/americans (usually whose families hailed from the areas around naples) call tomato (meat sauce), gravy. This is very common in NY. I worked in a restaurant that served the red stuff and it took me quite a while to call it sauce. Marinara, is usually called sauce...but not the stuff with the meatballs and sausage in it..thats gravy. Geeze, havent you guys ever watched the sopranos? lol

I shop at walmart, weekly...my donation is usually up around $100 a week. I buy toiletries, cleaning things, candles, snacks and a whole lotta this and that, there. Oh..and I love Big Macs. I dont eat them daily or even weekly..but when I am in the mood, I have NO problem with McDonalds food.

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My aunt called it GRAVY and my mom called it SAUCE.

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Quote: Just Ducky wrote in post #35

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Italian/americans (usually whose families hailed from the areas around naples) call tomato (meat sauce), gravy. This is very common in NY. I worked in a restaurant that served the red stuff and it took me quite a while to call it sauce. Marinara, is usually called sauce...but not the stuff with the meatballs and sausage in it..thats gravy. Geeze, havent you guys ever watched the sopranos? lol

I shop at walmart, weekly...my donation is usually up around $100 a week. I buy toiletries, cleaning things, candles, snacks and a whole lotta this and that, there. Oh..and I love Big Macs. I dont eat them daily or even weekly..but when I am in the mood, I have NO problem with McDonalds food.

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OK, here is the scoop on gravy vs sauce ....

My mother (Massachusetts) and my aunt (Florida) ....were sisters with the same mom (my grandmother) and both made the red stuff from scratch weekly !! My grandmother hailed from Rome and taught all her daughters (there were 3) how to make the red stuff the same way. There was only one recipe in the family and everyone made it the same way. That same recipe never tasted the same, it depended on the cook, and you could taste the difference. My aunt (older) was the best cook in the family and her red stuff was always to die for !!

OK, ready ?? My aunt called it GRAVY and my mom called it SAUCE. I think it is a Northern/Southern thing !!

When I moved to Florida, I spent a lot of time with my aunt, helping her cook and desperately trying to learn how to make different Italian dishes from her. As many times as we made the red stuff together, she always called it gravy and I could never shake my calling it sauce as my mom had passed on to me !!

End of the story and the mystery still remains !!

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Quote: W-Girl wrote in post #37

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[quote=Just Ducky|p45982]


My aunt called it GRAVY and my mom called it SAUCE.

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So did the other aunt call it Dressing?

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Quote: W-Girl wrote in post #37

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Quote: Just Ducky wrote in post #35

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Italian/americans (usually whose families hailed from the areas around naples) call tomato (meat sauce), gravy. This is very common in NY. I worked in a restaurant that served the red stuff and it took me quite a while to call it sauce. Marinara, is usually called sauce...but not the stuff with the meatballs and sausage in it..thats gravy. Geeze, havent you guys ever watched the sopranos? lol

I shop at walmart, weekly...my donation is usually up around $100 a week. I buy toiletries, cleaning things, candles, snacks and a whole lotta this and that, there. Oh..and I love Big Macs. I dont eat them daily or even weekly..but when I am in the mood, I have NO problem with McDonalds food.

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OK, here is the scoop on gravy vs sauce ....

My mother (Massachusetts) and my aunt (Florida) ....were sisters with the same mom (my grandmother) and both made the red stuff from scratch weekly !! My grandmother hailed from Rome and taught all her daughters (there were 3) how to make the red stuff the same way. There was only one recipe in the family and everyone made it the same way. That same recipe never tasted the same, it depended on the cook, and you could taste the difference. My aunt (older) was the best cook in the family and her red stuff was always to die for !!

OK, ready ?? My aunt called it GRAVY and my mom called it SAUCE. I think it is a Northern/Southern thing !!

When I moved to Florida, I spent a lot of time with my aunt, helping her cook and desperately trying to learn how to make different Italian dishes from her. As many times as we made the red stuff together, she always called it gravy and I could never shake my calling it sauce as my mom had passed on to me !!

End of the story and the mystery still remains !!

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Indeed!!! the mystery remains!
but I now wish to know if you found out the secret to the "best cook in the family and her red stuff was always to die for!!" ? do you have anything of wisdom to share?

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Quote: FP123 wrote in post #26

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LOL, that too! I hadn't heard that some in ages, cool tune!

If I really press the issue I have a couple of sweaters and a couple of corduroys from High School that I can squeeze into if I don't breathe too much, even still have a pair of Clarks Wallabees from HS (when they were made in Ireland) that I can knock around in!

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Along with @W-Girl I am VERY impressed FP!!! You're in a class of your own!!!

Over the years I've watched my waist size go higher, my inseam has gone down and my belt now goes to the last hole. And while I'm not that fat I'm surely nowhere near my high school body size or shape.

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Quote: FP123 wrote in post #20

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Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #18

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Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #17

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Quote: sneakypete wrote in post #11

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China's Outlet Mall is NOT a "American Corporation". It is a GLOBALIST Corporations,with globalist goals and influence. I buy nothing there if I have any other options.

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LOL. Yeah. Because everyone else is selling Made In America/Look for the Union Label stuff. K-Mart, Kohls, Target.

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Used to be LLBean was primarily Made in USA. That changed about 25 years ago. Now all the clothings say "Imported".

Except their trademark Maine hunting boots

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Don't get me started on that TM! I've watch the quality tumble, I suppose that there has been some decrease in price but I've never really bothered to figure that out. I'm just very pissed off that the quality has gone so far down hill, I can't recall the last time I've ordered anything, probably when I got a gift card here and there.

I have 3 versions of these double shirts, called a river man shirt originally if I recall correctly. The ones that are about 20 years old are still in great shape, rich thick supple cotton on both layers, colors still strong, no rips or tears, seams still sound, etc. A couple are about 15 years old and the thickness of the 2 layers is remarkably thinner, they didn't hols their shape and the seams are starting to unravel in a few places, etc. The newest are about 10 years old and the thickness of the cotton is about the same as a cheap T shirt, the inner layer is practically a guaze! Needless to say I will never order them again and mostly wear the 20 year old ones at this point. I may make rags out of the newer ones at some point.

(And if anyone wonders why I still wear clothes 20+ years old there are a few factors:
1. They used to be very high quality materials
2. I am a very good launderer, line-air dry almost everything and just air fluff in the dryer to soften up a bit.
3. I am neat and clean, rarely spill food or drink on myself, and rarely get stained even while working.

Now watch, I probably spill red gravy on myself later!)

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Oh FP, I thought it was just me but I noticed the dramatic decrease in quality. Last fall I bought two pair of cords from them. As I put my foot in them for the first time my toe caught on the loose stitching for the cuff and the fabric came down with my foot as it came out. That was a shock! It would never have happened before. Out of the ten or so things I purchased from them, 1/4 had some defect.

Now, enough of dissing LLBean, I need to know more about red gravy. Where do they use that term? I've heard it before, it's another word for tomato sauce or marinara sauce right? Here in NE we'd never call it gravy, it's called sauce.
Gravy is what you put on your mashed potatoes.

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Quote: ThirstyMan wrote in post #39

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Quote: W-Girl wrote in post #37

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Quote: Just Ducky wrote in post #35

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Italian/americans (usually whose families hailed from the areas around naples) call tomato (meat sauce), gravy. This is very common in NY. I worked in a restaurant that served the red stuff and it took me quite a while to call it sauce. Marinara, is usually called sauce...but not the stuff with the meatballs and sausage in it..thats gravy. Geeze, havent you guys ever watched the sopranos? lol

I shop at walmart, weekly...my donation is usually up around $100 a week. I buy toiletries, cleaning things, candles, snacks and a whole lotta this and that, there. Oh..and I love Big Macs. I dont eat them daily or even weekly..but when I am in the mood, I have NO problem with McDonalds food.

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OK, here is the scoop on gravy vs sauce ....

My mother (Massachusetts) and my aunt (Florida) ....were sisters with the same mom (my grandmother) and both made the red stuff from scratch weekly !! My grandmother hailed from Rome and taught all her daughters (there were 3) how to make the red stuff the same way. There was only one recipe in the family and everyone made it the same way. That same recipe never tasted the same, it depended on the cook, and you could taste the difference. My aunt (older) was the best cook in the family and her red stuff was always to die for !!

OK, ready ?? My aunt called it GRAVY and my mom called it SAUCE. I think it is a Northern/Southern thing !!

When I moved to Florida, I spent a lot of time with my aunt, helping her cook and desperately trying to learn how to make different Italian dishes from her. As many times as we made the red stuff together, she always called it gravy and I could never shake my calling it sauce as my mom had passed on to me !!

End of the story and the mystery still remains !!

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Indeed!!! the mystery remains!
but I now wish to know if you found out the secret to the "best cook in the family and her red stuff was always to die for!!" ? do you have anything of wisdom to share?

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I was chief assistant to both my mom and my aunt. My aunt's gravy was thicker and tastier !! She used one can of tomato paste which my mother never used. My theory was it was the flavor from the pans. The same pots and pans were always used for making sauce. I always told my aunt I wanted to buy her new pots and pans if she would allow me to take her old cookware. That would always make her laugh !! She did give me her glass coffee pot for the same reason but when I made coffee in her glass pot it would come out ...so bad ....I couldn't even drink it. That was back in the perculating days !!

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Quote: FP123 wrote in post #44

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I'm sure that this is just anecdotal but I once lived near some Italians that were all from around Rome -- their gravy was always so watery to me -- didn't have any body to it. They used to give me a case or two of it at the end of the summer when they did their canning. I would use it throughout the winter and almost always added a small can of paste to it when I was using it.

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