[quote=FP123

Ced, SP isn't talking about bringing in the hard core nutjobs that wrote the platform for the Libertarian party, she is talking about embracing those lovable Constitutional Conservatives with a strong libertarian streak like myself, that you've come to know and love yourself! [/quote]

Except for the fact that I'm not a "She",you are correct.

Quote: Cedric wrote in post #16

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FP,

That touches on my key (albeit unstated) point: How ya gonna allow the "sane" libertarians in and keep the sneakypetes out?

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Quote: Cedric wrote in post #19

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How many members of the Libertarian Party......23?

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Quote: Cedric wrote in post #29

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And you're so stupid you think an innuendo is an Italian suppository.

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The only problem with our Constitutuion is, that it requires a moral people to interpret it.

So, we're pretty much f''*:ked.

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Quote: Olivia wrote in post #10

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"You didn't address this post to me but since I started the thread, I'm going to answer some of your questions.

You claim to be against homosexual marriage but then say you should be allowed to marry who you wish to marry."

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I never stated I was against homosexual marriage because that would imply I am in favor of heterosexual marriage.

I DID say American citizens have a undisputed Constitutional RIGHT to marry whoever they want to marry,providing that person wants to marry them.

You don't think American citizens have the freedom and the right to marry who they want to marry?

If you don't,then by extension you must also think that since the government has the right to tell people who they can't marry,they also have the right to tell people who they MUST marry.




"If you're using the word "marry" then I disagree with you. If you're saying they should have some kind of civil service ceremony, that's not for me to decide."

Now you are going to play word games. Pick a decision and stick to it. A marriage by any other word (civil service) is STILL a freaking marriage.



"I do object, as a Christian, when homosexuals want to be "married in the eyes of God" in my Christian church when it goes against our very Christian foundation."

I'm with ya on this one. The thing you are overlooking is that marriage wasn't created by Christianity. It existed long before the birth of Jesus.

Which is irrelevant when it comes to the question of "can the government force churches/organized religions to marry homosexuals in their places of worship using a religious ceremony?". The clear answer to that is "NO!".

You are the one making this an issue by insisting religious cults "own" the word marriage,and marriages are ONLY performed in your places of worship.

It just ain't true.

" You won't hear of the Muslims having a fight on their hands with this issue."

I care no more about what they think of it than I care about what Christians,Buddists,Jews,or members of any other religious cult thinks about it. We are talking about the rights of free citizens of the United States of America,not some imaginary power controlled by a religious cult.

FWIW,I understand fundie Muslims think homosexuals should be killed,but for some odd reason think it's just peachy keen and NOT homosexual for a grown man to be humping a male child. Which,IMHO,is just more proof they are insane.

"As far as legalizing drugs, we are supposed to have a moral compass in our country and set an example for future generations."

Really? Where is that a Constitutional requirement? Like many,you are confusing your religious beliefs with Constitutional law,and it just ain't so.

BTW,don't you think your time would be better served living your lives as examples than trying to browbeat your fellow citizens by using the force of government to enforce your religious beliefs?

FWIW,I understand fundie Muslims think homosexuals should be killed,but for some odd reason think it's just peachy keen and NOT homosexual for a grown man to be humping a male child. Which,IMHO,is just more proof they are insane.

"We're already killing our babies at an alarming rate, drinking ourselves into a stupor, a large percent of our young people are already on drugs.
What does that say for us a society? How much further down can we go?"

I'd say it means most of you religious types are doing more running your mouths about your beliefs than you are living by them yourselves to serve as positive examples to be followed.

"I don't intend to start a religious war with you, just clarifying that my Christianity should be respected as well as your atheism. "

For about the 10 millionth time,I am NOT a atheist. I am a agnostic.

"We are all in the grip of a tyrant in Washington and right now, Sarah Palin, along with a few of the others, seem to be the only ones fighting back"

Yeah,she mentions God and Israel a few times,and you fundies are ready to roll over to have your bellies rubbed.

When are you people going to admit to the truth that you are NOT conservatives and will never support a conservative candidate. What you want is the establishment of a religious nation,and religious nations are nothing more than police states that rule by tyranny.

You want it,so own up to it.

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[quote=Olivia
No, I don't have a comprehension problem. Neither am I rude and talk down to people on a message board as if I were the ultimate authority.
There are ways you can get your point across without all the snide degrading remarks to the rest of us.""

Yeah,you do. Otherwise why did you misquote me?

"You don't have to give me a history lesson on marriage. I also know marriage has around long before Christ "

Good,then you clearly agree with me that the Christian church doesn't "own" marriages.

"but it's clear that in our day and time, homosexuals are wanting to stop at nothing else but to be accepted into a Christian church with the kind of ceremony that is reserved for a man and woman. "

So what? People can want anything,but that doesn't mean they will get it,or even that they have a right to get it.

"You're wrong when you say that our government will not try to force us into this kind of situation. "

No,I'm not. The whole "Separation of church and state" thing that you church goers hate guarantees this.



"..it's clearly not in our Christian foundation to expect my pastor to preform a same sex marriage. "

Correct,and the government doesn't have the authority to make him.

"The first thing that's going to happen is Christian churches will lose their non-profit status as punishment. "

Good! You shouldn't have them to start with,but since you do it gives you no standing to whine when the government wants to force you to do something that goes against your beliefs by threatening to remove your tax exempt status. If you lay down with dogs,don't be surprised when you get fleas.

It's YOUR CHOICE to accept that money. Refuse it and they have zero authority over you.

The problem is you all want it both ways.



"Another thing, I hope you will stop the insults and speak as if you respect the person you're speaking with. I have no desire to converse with your superior attitude in your aggressive and belligerent posts. "

Stop misquoting me and then telling me I'm wrong over something I didn't even write,and that problem will vanish.