Senator Persists Battling Health Law, Irking Even Many in His Own Party

#1 | Senator Persists Battling Health Law, Irking Even Many in His Own Party datum

Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:02 pm

Cruz has gotten this thing so messed-up that he's now demanding Republicans vote against the defunding bill (CR)....which they're actually for!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/25/us/pol...wdown.html?_r=0

Continuing into the evening, Mr. Cruz called on his colleagues to stonewall the measure they technically supported, arguing that Senate Democrats would be successful in stripping the health care provision from the funding bill once the way was cleared to a Senate vote on the issue. His basic demand was an agreement that a final vote require 60 supporters, a demand Democrats rejected.

Other Republicans said they saw no reason to oppose debating a measure they actually backed.

�We�d be hard-pressed to explain why we were opposed to a bill we�re in favor of,� said Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader.

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#2 | RE: Senator Persists Battling Health Law, Irking Even Many in His Own Party datum

Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:04 pm

New York Times==enough said

Proud to be part of the 'Fringe'

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#3 | RE: Senator Persists Battling Health Law, Irking Even Many in His Own Party datum

Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:09 pm

Ostrich==enough said.

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#4 | RE: Senator Persists Battling Health Law, Irking Even Many in His Own Party datum

Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:09 pm

They AREN'T in favor of defunding Obamacare, Cedric.

The GOP's tactic is to sit out the fight and wait until they have more control, sometime, in the future...

In the meantime they will help bolster the power of the Executive so that when they have a GOP president he can use that power against the people.

HOW do I know this?

I know this because every day Congress LIES to the American people about our fiscal problems. They refuse to actually tell the people how dire the situation is. They are padding their bank accounts and enriching themselves in Washington because when the financial collapse finally comes they'll be able to ride it out in some foreign land while the rest of us are left here to fend for ourselves in the ashen heap that they have left behind.

We do not have a representative government. That died.

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson

"If people can�t trust not only the executive branch but also don�t trust Congress, and don�t trust federal judges, to make sure that we�re abiding by the Constitution with due process and rule of law, then we�re going to have some problems here." - Barack Obama, June 7, 2013

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#5 | RE: Senator Persists Battling Health Law, Irking Even Many in His Own Party datum

Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:17 pm

Quote: Palinista wrote in post #4
They AREN'T in favor of defunding Obamacare, Cedric.

The GOP's tactic is to sit out the fight and wait until they have more control, sometime, in the future...

In the meantime they will help bolster the power of the Executive so that when they have a GOP president he can use that power against the people.

HOW do I know this?

I know this because every day Congress LIES to the American people about our fiscal problems. They refuse to actually tell the people how dire the situation is. They are padding their bank accounts and enriching themselves in Washington because when the financial collapse finally comes they'll be able to ride it out in some foreign land while the rest of us are left here to fend for ourselves in the ashen heap that they have left behind.

We do not have a representative government. That died.

You watch, every single Republican Senator will vote to defund Obamacare.

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#6 | RE: Senator Persists Battling Health Law, Irking Even Many in His Own Party datum

Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:19 pm

Quote: Cedric wrote in post #5
You watch, every single Republican Senator will vote to defund Obamacare.

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson

"If people can�t trust not only the executive branch but also don�t trust Congress, and don�t trust federal judges, to make sure that we�re abiding by the Constitution with due process and rule of law, then we�re going to have some problems here." - Barack Obama, June 7, 2013

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#7 | RE: Senator Persists Battling Health Law, Irking Even Many in His Own Party datum

Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:26 pm

Quote: Palinista wrote in post #4
They AREN'T in favor of defunding Obamacare, Cedric.

The GOP's tactic is to sit out the fight and wait until they have more control, sometime, in the future...

No, but that's the battle cry from so many.

Consider where we are headed in the legislative process:

1. The House has passed the CR.

2. Next it goes to the Senate where, as reports indicate, Majority Leader Harry Reid will seek to amend it to strip away the defunding portion. An amendment passes with a majority vote.* Democrats have a majority in the Senate and it will pass.
Once amended, the Senate will vote on the bill and it will pass, without defunding Obamacare.

3. So what does Sen. Cruz want senators to do?

He wants them to filibuster the CR, the one that includes the defunding.

Yes, he wants senators to vote to block voting on the bill he supports. That way the CR can�t be amended to strip out the defunding.

But if they block the CR, the CR with the defunding won�t go forward to be voted upon. And that would be the end of it. LINK

It puts others btwn a rock and a hard place Those who want to vote for defunding, as passed with the CR he now calls pro obamacare. And people buy it.

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#8 | RE: Senator Persists Battling Health Law, Irking Even Many in His Own Party datum

Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:28 pm

Quote: Cedric wrote in post #1

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/25/us/pol...wdown.html?_r=0

Oh. The New York Times. What happened Cedric. Couldn't you find a Conservative hit piece in The Village Voice?

North American Lambada Dance Champion 1988, 1989, 1991.

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#9 | RE: Senator Persists Battling Health Law, Irking Even Many in His Own Party datum

Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:29 pm

Quote: Justme wrote in post #7
It puts others btwn a rock and a hard place Those who want to vote for defunding, as passed with the CR he now calls pro obamacare. And people buy it.

People buy it?

Really?

People are STUCK with Obamacare. What's the harm?

ALL of this is to try to WAKE the American people up. That's all I think this is.

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson

"If people can�t trust not only the executive branch but also don�t trust Congress, and don�t trust federal judges, to make sure that we�re abiding by the Constitution with due process and rule of law, then we�re going to have some problems here." - Barack Obama, June 7, 2013

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#10 | RE: Senator Persists Battling Health Law, Irking Even Many in His Own Party datum

Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:33 pm

Quote: Justme wrote in post #7
Quote: Palinista wrote in post #4
They AREN'T in favor of defunding Obamacare, Cedric.

The GOP's tactic is to sit out the fight and wait until they have more control, sometime, in the future...

No, but that's the battle cry from so many.

Consider where we are headed in the legislative process:

1. The House has passed the CR.

2. Next it goes to the Senate where, as reports indicate, Majority Leader Harry Reid will seek to amend it to strip away the defunding portion. An amendment passes with a majority vote.* Democrats have a majority in the Senate and it will pass.
Once amended, the Senate will vote on the bill and it will pass, without defunding Obamacare.

3. So what does Sen. Cruz want senators to do?

He wants them to filibuster the CR, the one that includes the defunding.

Yes, he wants senators to vote to block voting on the bill he supports. That way the CR can�t be amended to strip out the defunding.

But if they block the CR, the CR with the defunding won�t go forward to be voted upon. And that would be the end of it. LINK

It puts others btwn a rock and a hard place Those who want to vote for defunding, as passed with the CR he now calls pro obamacare. And people buy it.

I hope the GOP Senators or (more likely) Mighty John Boehner help Cruz off this limb he's crawled out on.

And I hope Cruz learns a lesson from this.

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#11 | RE: Senator Persists Battling Health Law, Irking Even Many in His Own Party datum

Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:36 pm (Last edited: Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:46 pm)

Quote: Palinista wrote in post #9
Quote: Justme wrote in post #7
It puts others btwn a rock and a hard place Those who want to vote for defunding, as passed with the CR he now calls pro obamacare. And people buy it.

People buy it?

Really?

People are STUCK with Obamacare. What's the harm?

ALL of this is to try to WAKE the American people up. That's all I think this is.

Great. But it won't get the job done and a zero sum gain is not good enough imo.

People are not stuck with obamacare if both houses can agree on a delay which he wants to scrap.

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#12 | RE: Senator Persists Battling Health Law, Irking Even Many in His Own Party datum

Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:38 pm

Quote: Justme wrote in post #11

People are not stuck with obamacare is both hoses can agree on a delay which he wants to scrap.

Paul, Lee and Cruz are trying to start a war within the Republican party.

The fun is just beginning.

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson

"If people can�t trust not only the executive branch but also don�t trust Congress, and don�t trust federal judges, to make sure that we�re abiding by the Constitution with due process and rule of law, then we�re going to have some problems here." - Barack Obama, June 7, 2013

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#13 | RE: Senator Persists Battling Health Law, Irking Even Many in His Own Party datum

Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:42 pm

Quote: Palinista wrote in post #12
Quote: Justme wrote in post #11

People are not stuck with obamacare is both hoses can agree on a delay which he wants to scrap.

Paul, Lee and Cruz are trying to start a war within the Republican party.

The fun is just beginning.

The war has been ongoing for months, now they are just taking their personal victory lap. People love them. I like them!

Remember this isn't really even a fillabuster, it's monologuing. They are speaking for us and its great!

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#14 | RE: Senator Persists Battling Health Law, Irking Even Many in His Own Party datum

Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:45 pm

Quote: Palinista wrote in post #12
Quote: Justme wrote in post #11

People are not stuck with obamacare is both hoses can agree on a delay which he wants to scrap.

Paul, Lee and Cruz are trying to start a war within the Republican party.

Based upon the way Lee and Cruz have bungled this defunding gimmick.....

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#15 | RE: Senator Persists Battling Health Law, Irking Even Many in His Own Party datum

Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:47 pm

Quote: Palinista wrote in post #12

Paul, Lee and Cruz are trying to start a war within the Republican party.

The fun is just beginning.

That is why the establishment is having conniptions. They know they will lose this fight....they always do...

North American Lambada Dance Champion 1988, 1989, 1991.

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