I find it fascinating as well, that a person I thought was one of the sweetest people on this forum has just issued the nastiest insults and personal attacks against me that I've experienced on this board.
Here you go again. Let it go..we've both said how we feel. You don't have to keep repeating it over & over in the hopes that you can continue arguing about it & by the way...I'm not one of your students that you can give me orders. Just wanted to set the record straight on that. I might even "do it again" if you needlessly start carping on someone unfairly, but right now...this thread is over for me.
I've thought long and hard about responding again to this, and have reflected for a number of hours on the wisdom of doing so, but have decided that (especially since three people on this forum "like" the nasty ad hominem Olivia leveled at me here), that I need to make one more attempt to defend myself against this pile of crap accusation.
I am indeed a professor, and have been one for fourteen years at two different Universities. At the end of each semester, the students fill out evaluations of their professors, and one of the categories is "The professor has treated me with respect." Of the hundreds of students I have taught, all but one or two of them has given me the highest mark possible (the other few were the next number down), and that is for one simple reason. I ALWAYS treat people with respect. I NEVER give students "orders" any more than I have given anyone "orders" on this forum.
The accusation that I have treated anyone here badly just as I treat my students badly, is way below the belt, personal, and completely false.
Three people "like" that Olivia lied about me, but that doesn't change the fact that her accusations are totally out of line, and that while she is whining about my being so "mean" to other people on this forum, she feels no restriction in saying horrible things about me, that have no basis in reality.
I'd like to get along on this forum. I have felt that this forum has been my home. But I didn't know this kind of personal vitriol was lurking under the surface until this thread, and I find it disturbing.
This is not just a "different opinion." There is no cause to be this nasty to anyone here. EVER.
I know I can be sarcastic, and that I don't always say the right words, and am more persistent than I perhaps should be, but I am usually quick to admit my faults and to apologize for them. I know my strong points and my weak points, and I am honest to a fault about them.
Now since Olivia has decided to toss this crap at me and then run away, in the interest of full disclosure, I will say publicly that I am sending these exact words to her in a PM, so that she knows what I have said here.
I know that a few people will think I'm nuts for doing this, and will think less of me for defending myself like this, but if I am to remain on this forum, it has to be knowing that, regardless of disagreements on politics, I can trust the people I'm here with.
And right now, I don't think there's any way I can trust Olivia to be an honest broker until there is some acknowledgement that she's been way out of line.
And I don't think that's ever going to happen.
I needed to clear the air over this one. It could be a game changer in my future on this forum.
. . . that I need to make one more attempt to defend myself . . .
By all means defend yourself as you see fit.
I think you CAN BE QUITE REASONABLE and objective--particularly compared to some others.
However, I think you CAN also be somewhat distorted in your perceptions--as can we all.
And, clicking a "like" button on even merely one paragraph makes it hard to be certain what one was agreeing with. It's conceivable that the support was for speaking up without any great cheerleading of any particular statement.
I don't have any trouble believing your narrative about your student evals. Mine were also the highest or among the highest across 2 continents and 3 countries. My students reported not only feeling respected but feeling genuine love and affection from me--and often toward me, actually. Yet, I'm fairly certain that some here would not believe a word of the absolute truth I just wrote.
I don't doubt that you avoided giving your students orders.
However, you have, on occasion, COME ACROSS AS being fairly strong in your assertions about what others had done, were doing and/or other aspects of their character or behavior per your perspective. That's your right. I'm merely skeptical that you have the 100% flawless insight into yourself that you may think you have.
Zitat The accusation that I have treated anyone here badly just as I treat my students badly, is way below the belt, personal, and completely false.
I wouldn't doubt that you avoided treating your students badly.
However, some of your assumptions and conclusions regarding me resulted in my FEELING treated rather badly--regardless of what the "OBJECTIVE" reality was--and shockingly, surprisingly so, by you. One minute I thought I understood your character and where you were coming from quite well. The next minute it was as though you were a different person entirely and shockingly negatively so. I felt blind-sided and mystified as to where all that came from. I didn't feel I'd changed in my character or behavior but you sure seemed to think I had. I had no adequate explanation for that.
Zitat Three people "like" that Olivia lied about me, but that doesn't change the fact that her accusations are totally out of line, and that while she is whining about my being so "mean" to other people on this forum, she feels no restriction in saying horrible things about me, that have no basis in reality.
That's your perspective.
It's not mine. I have not found Olivia to be hasty. She's not a whining type. I don't find her perceptions to be off the wall. I actually have observed her to be far more objective and fair-minded than a number of others hereon. I don't think she shapes her perceptions to match those of group think or anything else.
I still honestly don't understand a LOT of the relational and assaultive hostility and negativism hereon. My best explanation is that satan and his goons are working over time to cause discord and conflicts between people--particularly those who call Jesus Lord.
I know of a church I was in, in San Diego where such things happened VERY mystifyingly where folks "heard" or interpreted things that EVERYONE else in the room heard very VERY differently. No one was deliberately lying etc. They weren't the type. Our only explanation was that demonic forces were distorting reality literally in order to cause conflict between people.
Zitat I'd like to get along on this forum. I have felt that this forum has been my home. But I didn't know this kind of personal vitriol was lurking under the surface until this thread, and I find it disturbing.
Now you may have a greater insight to my feelings many times hereon. I've repeatedly been shocked at what has surfaced--to my perspective--based on negligible to non-existent justification.
Zitat This is not just a "different opinion." There is no cause to be this nasty to anyone here. EVER.
That's a nice value. I wish more shared it hereon.
Zitat I know I can be sarcastic,
Yes, you can. And, I don't think you always relate well to the blow-back from that. I think you can distort the reactions quite a lot.
Personally, some sarcasm to make a point--that's NOT a personal assault--is fair game--TO ME. However, I've learned the hard way hereon--most folks don't treat it as merely making a point--they treat it as a below the belt personal assault--regardless.
Zitat and that I don't always say the right words, and am more persistent than I perhaps should be,
None of that is a biggy to me. That's merely being human. So what. Folks ought to overlook such stuff as long as they wish to pretend to be human, too.
Zitat but I am usually quick to admit my faults and to apologize for them. I know my strong points and my weak points, and I am honest to a fault about them.
I think that's mostly true but not 100% true in all respects across the board as much as you seem to think it is.
Zitat . . . but if I am to remain on this forum, it has to be knowing that, regardless of disagreements on politics, I can trust the people I'm here with.
And right now, I don't think there's any way I can trust Olivia to be an honest broker until there is some acknowledgement that she's been way out of line.
I wouldn't wait on that a microsecond.
1. The perceptions of right and wrong are quite different. 2. The perceptions of therefore what are quite different. 3. Expectations are quite different.
I've given up expecting a lot of insight on the part of most folks on forums. I don't expect a lot of honest insightful candor on much of anyone's part any more. I've given up expecting much honesty from some people much at all.
I've come to expect that IF there's a chance that some significant levels of ATTACHMENT DISORDER will cause a prickly hostile interpersonal exchange--THEN IT WILL OCCUR and probably at a much higher volume than the situation at all warranted.
I've come to expect that arrogance, selfishness, rigidity, willful blindness etc. will be excessive on such forums.
Zitat And I don't think that's ever going to happen.
I needed to clear the air over this one. It could be a game changer in my future on this forum.
I understand those feelings quite well.
BTW, I hope you saw the MUSIC OF PI thread . . . I think in science section. I thought of you right away when I heard it. I think the symphony treatment at the end of the thread may be more your preference--or the first example in the thread.
I wish you well. I think you are a sincere earnest but flawed Christian trying to work out your salvation in fear and trembling like the Bible instructs and like a lot of the rest of us.
Locking this thread, it's run it's course and Chavez is still pushing up daisies.
Two final things I feel need to be pointed out as I see them as this thread unfolded:
1. A great many here call for a degree of civility they themselves do not feel the need to practice. With both their posts and their raves
Case in point.....
2. Without agreeing or disagreeing with all of what MusicLady has posted...she has been lied about and those lies have been raved. I hope that does not sour her from RR but I wouldn't blame her either.
Wash rinse and repeat
In all honesty of anyone wants to further discuss my observations feel free to open a vanity thread.
RIGHT'S RIGHT 
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