Quote: musiclady wrote in post #111I have a disclaimer to add to my previous denial of false charges..........
If BobJ, war, EWO, RE or lucysmom joined RR.......THEN I would want people to be banned.
As it stands I have not even THOUGHT that anyone should be banned from this forum, much less tried to have it happen.
NEVER.
EVER.
What about Gourmet Dan?
I never suggested nor requested that he be banned.
In an open discussion, I said I felt he was being deliberately disrespectful to the mods (he was and Quix wasn't), but I never, EVER thought he should be banned.
Not for a minute.
(IIRC, you also implied on that thread that Palinista, Frank and I were ganging up on Quix, and were wrong about that too).
Perhaps you should ask me privately what's going on when you have such seriously negative feelings about what I've said or done, Olivia.
I could clear up your misconception in a few private words, and we'd all be better off.
As it stands, it was a public accusation you made, which hopefully now has been cleared up, unfortunately in a very public way. I didn't want Quix banned. I didn't want Gourmet Dan banned. I don't want nerd banned.
And I don't want Cedric banned either.
We all have different opinions and express our views in different ways. I've never, EVER been offended by yours.
I'm sorry I have offended you with mine.
You have got to be joking! You had post after post criticizing Gourmet Dan & he finally left, as you wanted him too. All of it posted on a very public thread for all to see. Maybe you should have sent him a private message and he could have "cleared it up for you." As it is, he's posting over at the GOP and enjoying himself.
Quote: Olivia wrote in post #136You have got to be joking! You had post after post criticizing Gourmet Dan & he finally left, as you wanted him too. All of it posted on a very public thread for all to see. Maybe you should have sent him a private message and he could have "cleared it up for you." As it is, he's posting over at the GOP and enjoying himself.
I take all responsibility for his leaving if he found this place to be inhospitable and points to that thread alone as the reason he left.
If it is another matter, I'll have to look at that and see if I'm at fault there, too.
Orthodoxy SUCKS.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #111I have a disclaimer to add to my previous denial of false charges..........
If BobJ, war, EWO, RE or lucysmom joined RR.......THEN I would want people to be banned.
As it stands I have not even THOUGHT that anyone should be banned from this forum, much less tried to have it happen.
NEVER.
EVER.
What about Gourmet Dan?
I never suggested nor requested that he be banned.
In an open discussion, I said I felt he was being deliberately disrespectful to the mods (he was and Quix wasn't), but I never, EVER thought he should be banned.
Not for a minute.
(IIRC, you also implied on that thread that Palinista, Frank and I were ganging up on Quix, and were wrong about that too).
Perhaps you should ask me privately what's going on when you have such seriously negative feelings about what I've said or done, Olivia.
I could clear up your misconception in a few private words, and we'd all be better off.
As it stands, it was a public accusation you made, which hopefully now has been cleared up, unfortunately in a very public way. I didn't want Quix banned. I didn't want Gourmet Dan banned. I don't want nerd banned.
And I don't want Cedric banned either.
We all have different opinions and express our views in different ways. I've never, EVER been offended by yours.
I'm sorry I have offended you with mine.
You have got to be joking! You had post after post criticizing Gourmet Dan & he finally left, as you wanted him too. All of it posted on a very public thread for all to see. Maybe you should have sent him a private message and he could have "cleared it up for you." As it is, he's posting over at the GOP and enjoying himself.
Well, it's clear that you see things from only one side, and that nothing I say will help clear things up for you.
I won't remind you of the things he said about me first........about knowing 'who I am,' about making false accusations.........nor of the nasty way he was behaving at the time.
You're not interested in balancing the truth from both perspectives, and there's nothing I can do about that.
If you think that I'm responsible for Dan's leaving, then you don't give him much credit. No one would leave a forum, dishing out what he did and taking as little as he did from me unless he didn't want to be here in the first place.
I've taken far worse from nerd......FAR worse.........and I'm not going anywhere.
Dan was confused about what I was saying to Quix and he left without finding out the truth.
That's his problem.
And apparently yours as well.
Now that I know you've got a major ax to grind with me, and that you're extremely angry over the perceived "wrongs" I've done to "innocent" people around here, I'll leave you alone.
And just wait until you attack me sometime in the future on another thread because you make up something else out of whole cloth..............
Quote: Olivia wrote in post #136You have got to be joking! You had post after post criticizing Gourmet Dan & he finally left, as you wanted him too. All of it posted on a very public thread for all to see. Maybe you should have sent him a private message and he could have "cleared it up for you." As it is, he's posting over at the GOP and enjoying himself.
I take all responsibility for his leaving if he found this place to be inhospitable and points to that thread alone as the reason he left.
If it is another matter, I'll have to look at that and see if I'm at fault there, too.
You're not at fault either, Palinista. He was being a pain in the neck and mocking steph. He left because he wanted to, not because of anything you did.
And you and Frank and I were (falsely) accused of ganging up on Quix.
The whole thing is ridiculous, and somebody needs to get a grip.
Have a wonderful Palm Sunday, Palinista, and everyone.
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #139 Have a wonderful Palm Sunday, Palinista, and everyone.
Hoping you have a happy Palm Sunday, too.
Orthodoxy SUCKS.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
Quote: Olivia wrote in post #113 Well, I for one, didn't know being rude was not against the rules so that's good to know. Maybe the member was frustrated with snide remarks and downright mockery and the ones in charge were turning a blind eye?
clearly rude is subjective.
Zitat I never said anything about putting down any rules and I 've never whined to a mod about anything. Ever! I also apologize for not coming to your defense. I guess I thought mods could take care of themselves
You miss my point. First off I thought we could all take care of ourselves. Sanguine and steph have been very fair so I will take your swipe to mean it's me you have a problem with. I repeat my first post on the matter, t here is a double standard coming from some members based on who they like vs who they don't.
You have made a few false accusations in this thread now. I can set some straight maybe. Only members wanting to ban or punish Cedric have contacted the mods. Never has any member sought to have the equally rough around the edges nerd "handled". The point being some members are less tolerant than others.
Unless you know why GD stopped posting for sure your accusation seems off there too. His leaving was timed with another incident all together. Musiclady has never asked for or suggested to me that any member be dealt with, that is not her style. There are members, as you indicate you know, who do. You must forgive me for not banning people because you don't like them, thats not playing favorites it's just following the very few guidelines we have here.
You miss my point. First off I thought we could all take care of ourselves. Sanguine and steph have been very fair so I will take your swipe to mean it's me you have a problem with. I repeat my first post on the matter, t here is a double standard coming from some members based on who they like vs who they don't.
The same thing applies to the mods.
You have made a few false accusations in this thread now. I can set some straight maybe. Only members wanting to ban or punish Cedric have contacted the mods. Never has any member sought to have the equally rough around the edges nerd "handled". The point being some members are less tolerant than others.
When one member is being singled out and every post he makes is mocked, ridiculed, etc., I consider it fighting back.
Unless you know why GD stopped posting for sure your accusation seems off there too.
I do know why GD stopped posting for sure. He was ran off by those that took a sudden dislike to him. He had a different personality & didn't "fit."
His leaving was timed with another incident all together. Musiclady has never asked for or suggested to me that any member be dealt with, that is not her style. There are members, as you indicate you know, who do. You must forgive me for not banning people because you don't like them, thats not playing favorites it's just following the very few guidelines we have here. [/quote]
I have no way of knowing who reports to you or not. I don't, so don't know how I could want anyone banned. I think the problem is the other way around. There are some on the board that get different treatment from you. That's all I said.
Well, Olivia, you're not only wrong you have no idea what you're talking about
That you freely post misinformation should be a pretty fair indicator I allow everyone to post whatever they want without interfering as long as the rules are not broken.
I'm going to state one ironic FACT before I head off to church....
I always thought Gourmet Dan was a really good guy......UNTIL the day he started playing his passive-aggressive game and being rude to a lot of people. All I was trying to do is get a straight answer from him about his view of globalism and the Revolutionary War, and instead of answering, he started accusing and mocking.
He kept going on until he was mocking steph and behaving very badly, and only then did I say anything about the negative effect he was having.
The idea that Dan left because of ME is preposterous. It's ludicrous. It's absurd.
I was supposedly part of some imaginary cabal out to get Quix, so the fact that Olivia is blaming me (and remember, I was REACTING to Dan, not instigating), is just crazy.
BUT, it's clear that she sees one side only, and is not the slightest bit interested in what really happened, or why. She doesn't care that nerd leveled personal ad hominems at me, or that he insults other people as well. She sees him as a victim. I see him as an adult who is very good at taking care of himself and attacking others as well as any on this forum.
I can't do a blasted thing about her willful misperception of what went on with Gourmet Dan, or now with nerd, so I'll leave her to her own anger and continue behaving myself as I see fit, expressing my views, stating my opinion, and defending myself against anyone who gets personal.
I have a thick skin after more than a decade at FR with similar false charges by ill-informed people, but I'm not a doormat either.
Olivia..........the next time you falsely accuse me, I'll defend myself again.
Not because you hurt my feelings, but because the truth matters, and I will always defend it.
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #146I'm going to state one ironic FACT before I head off to church....
I always thought Gourmet Dan was a really good guy......UNTIL the day he started playing his passive-aggressive game and being rude to a lot of people. All I was trying to do is get a straight answer from him about his view of globalism and the Revolutionary War, and instead of answering, he started accusing and mocking.
He kept going on until he was mocking steph and behaving very badly, and only then did I say anything about the negative effect he was having.
The idea that Dan left because of ME is preposterous. It's ludicrous. It's absurd.
I was supposedly part of some imaginary cabal out to get Quix, so the fact that Olivia is blaming me (and remember, I was REACTING to Dan, not instigating), is just crazy.
BUT, it's clear that she sees one side only, and is not the slightest bit interested in what really happened, or why. She doesn't care that nerd leveled personal ad hominems at me, or that he insults other people as well. She sees him as a victim. I see him as an adult who is very good at taking care of himself and attacking others as well as any on this forum.
I can't do a blasted thing about her willful misperception of what went on with Gourmet Dan, or now with nerd, so I'll leave her to her own anger and continue behaving myself as I see fit, expressing my views, stating my opinion, and defending myself against anyone who gets personal.
I have a thick skin after more than a decade at FR with similar false charges by ill-informed people, but I'm not a doormat either.
Olivia..........the next time you falsely accuse me, I'll defend myself again.
Not because you hurt my feelings, but because the truth matters, and I will always defend it.
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #146I'm going to state one ironic FACT before I head off to church....
I always thought Gourmet Dan was a really good guy......UNTIL the day he started playing his passive-aggressive game and being rude to a lot of people. All I was trying to do is get a straight answer from him about his view of globalism and the Revolutionary War, and instead of answering, he started accusing and mocking.
He kept going on until he was mocking steph and behaving very badly, and only then did I say anything about the negative effect he was having.
The idea that Dan left because of ME is preposterous. It's ludicrous. It's absurd.
I was supposedly part of some imaginary cabal out to get Quix, so the fact that Olivia is blaming me (and remember, I was REACTING to Dan, not instigating), is just crazy.
BUT, it's clear that she sees one side only, and is not the slightest bit interested in what really happened, or why. She doesn't care that nerd leveled personal ad hominems at me, or that he insults other people as well. She sees him as a victim. I see him as an adult who is very good at taking care of himself and attacking others as well as any on this forum.
I can't do a blasted thing about her willful misperception of what went on with Gourmet Dan, or now with nerd, so I'll leave her to her own anger and continue behaving myself as I see fit, expressing my views, stating my opinion, and defending myself against anyone who gets personal.
I have a thick skin after more than a decade at FR with similar false charges by ill-informed people, but I'm not a doormat either.
Olivia..........the next time you falsely accuse me, I'll defend myself again.
Not because you hurt my feelings, but because the truth matters, and I will always defend it.
Same here.
Then don't accuse me of instigating problems when I am reacting to them.
And don't make any more things up about what you imagine I think, or what you imagine my motives are.
I'm right out front, Olivia. I say what I think. I don't conspire. I don't pick on people. I'm honest.
The fact that you don't like me and imagine I'm doing all sorts of evil doesn't hurt me, but it does make me wonder about you.
And I will always.....ALWAYS...........defend myself against your false accusations. You can count on that.
So I am asking you, for your sake........don't do this again. Get your facts straight before you level public accusations.
If you do that, we'll be fine.
I'm sorry about all of this, because I had no idea you saw me in such a negative, hostile light.
But again, it's your problem because the facts don't back up your feelings.
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #146I'm going to state one ironic FACT before I head off to church....
I always thought Gourmet Dan was a really good guy......UNTIL the day he started playing his passive-aggressive game and being rude to a lot of people. All I was trying to do is get a straight answer from him about his view of globalism and the Revolutionary War, and instead of answering, he started accusing and mocking.
He kept going on until he was mocking steph and behaving very badly, and only then did I say anything about the negative effect he was having.
The idea that Dan left because of ME is preposterous. It's ludicrous. It's absurd.
I was supposedly part of some imaginary cabal out to get Quix, so the fact that Olivia is blaming me (and remember, I was REACTING to Dan, not instigating), is just crazy.
BUT, it's clear that she sees one side only, and is not the slightest bit interested in what really happened, or why. She doesn't care that nerd leveled personal ad hominems at me, or that he insults other people as well. She sees him as a victim. I see him as an adult who is very good at taking care of himself and attacking others as well as any on this forum.
I can't do a blasted thing about her willful misperception of what went on with Gourmet Dan, or now with nerd, so I'll leave her to her own anger and continue behaving myself as I see fit, expressing my views, stating my opinion, and defending myself against anyone who gets personal.
I have a thick skin after more than a decade at FR with similar false charges by ill-informed people, but I'm not a doormat either.
Olivia..........the next time you falsely accuse me, I'll defend myself again.
Not because you hurt my feelings, but because the truth matters, and I will always defend it.
Same here.
Then don't accuse me of instigating problems when I am reacting to them.
And don't make any more things up about what you imagine I think, or what you imagine my motives are.
I'm right out front, Olivia. I say what I think. I don't conspire. I don't pick on people. I'm honest.
The fact that you don't like me and imagine I'm doing all sorts of evil doesn't hurt me, but it does make me wonder about you.
And I will always.....ALWAYS...........defend myself against your false accusations. You can count on that.
So I am asking you, for your sake........don't do this again. Get your facts straight before you level public accusations.
If you do that, we'll be fine.
I'm sorry about all of this, because I had no idea you saw me in such a negative, hostile light.
But again, it's your problem because the facts don't back up your feelings.
Peace.
Here you go again. Let it go..we've both said how we feel. You don't have to keep repeating it over & over in the hopes that you can continue arguing about it & by the way...I'm not one of your students that you can give me orders. Just wanted to set the record straight on that. I might even "do it again" if you needlessly start carping on someone unfairly, but right now...this thread is over for me.
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #146I'm going to state one ironic FACT before I head off to church....
I always thought Gourmet Dan was a really good guy......UNTIL the day he started playing his passive-aggressive game and being rude to a lot of people. All I was trying to do is get a straight answer from him about his view of globalism and the Revolutionary War, and instead of answering, he started accusing and mocking.
He kept going on until he was mocking steph and behaving very badly, and only then did I say anything about the negative effect he was having.
The idea that Dan left because of ME is preposterous. It's ludicrous. It's absurd.
I was supposedly part of some imaginary cabal out to get Quix, so the fact that Olivia is blaming me (and remember, I was REACTING to Dan, not instigating), is just crazy.
BUT, it's clear that she sees one side only, and is not the slightest bit interested in what really happened, or why. She doesn't care that nerd leveled personal ad hominems at me, or that he insults other people as well. She sees him as a victim. I see him as an adult who is very good at taking care of himself and attacking others as well as any on this forum.
I can't do a blasted thing about her willful misperception of what went on with Gourmet Dan, or now with nerd, so I'll leave her to her own anger and continue behaving myself as I see fit, expressing my views, stating my opinion, and defending myself against anyone who gets personal.
I have a thick skin after more than a decade at FR with similar false charges by ill-informed people, but I'm not a doormat either.
Olivia..........the next time you falsely accuse me, I'll defend myself again.
Not because you hurt my feelings, but because the truth matters, and I will always defend it.
Same here.
Then don't accuse me of instigating problems when I am reacting to them.
And don't make any more things up about what you imagine I think, or what you imagine my motives are.
I'm right out front, Olivia. I say what I think. I don't conspire. I don't pick on people. I'm honest.
The fact that you don't like me and imagine I'm doing all sorts of evil doesn't hurt me, but it does make me wonder about you.
And I will always.....ALWAYS...........defend myself against your false accusations. You can count on that.
So I am asking you, for your sake........don't do this again. Get your facts straight before you level public accusations.
If you do that, we'll be fine.
I'm sorry about all of this, because I had no idea you saw me in such a negative, hostile light.
But again, it's your problem because the facts don't back up your feelings.
Peace.
Here you go again. Let it go..we've both said how we feel. You don't have to keep repeating it over & over in the hopes that you can continue arguing about it & by the way...I'm not one of your students that you can give me orders. Just wanted to set the record straight on that. I might even "do it again" if you needlessly start carping on someone unfairly, but right now...this thread is over for me.
The problem is that what you "feel" is an attack on my character, and you're not entitled to do that.
You can feel whatever you like, express your feelings however you like, but as the saying goes, you're not entitled to your own facts.
btw, your comment about my being a teacher and the ridiculous charge that I want to order you around like my students (I don't order around my students. They're adults, and I treat them with respect, just as I treat you with respect), indicates that you really have a burr in you bonnet about me.
And I find that fascinating.
I've never done a single thing, nor said a single thing to you that should warrent this level of anger.
So be it.
You're a grown up, and you can feel whatever you want to feel.
RIGHT'S RIGHT 
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