No one has 'turned on' nerd. It's not 'truth' in the message that he's bringing, but rather the one-sided lack of it and his inability to discuss things rationally.
He's done this to himself, algernon with his insulting, mocking, mindless bashing style.
Cedric calls him a troll.
I don't pay that much attention to nerd. If he says something that leaves me like this , which is frequently, I just move along. I don't feel that I have to prove to him that I'm right and he's wrong. Sometimes he cracks me up. Other times he confuses me. I'm not that invested in him, really.
Nor am I.
I just like intellectual honesty.
And I most certainly haven't 'turned' on him.
But I think a good case could be made that he's 'turned' on me.
However, there's no need to make it because I'm not that invested in him....
Again..........intellectual honesty, and factual accuracy and less thread hijacking are my only concern.
It is NOT intellectual honesty when you say no one has turned on him. Cedric calls him a troll. Cedric has a problem with him.
And when you clasp hands with Cedric and agree with him that there is a troll disruptor here on this forum trying to damage the forum I think you have gone loco, too.
Take it up with Justme. She controls the membership. Everything else is just noise.
Orthodoxy SUCKS.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #61 I'm also glad to be here, and if you've been reading my posts, you know that I'm not expecting, or even wanting this to be a "Republican forum."
I also appreciate learning from divergent views and having discussions about the disagreements I have with everyone. (Yes, everyone).
That is not what I'm talking about here, and I think you know it.
I'm talking about mindless GOP bashing regardless of the subject of the thread.
There's a big difference between intelligent discussion where we disagree and one-liner insults that do nothing but offend those who disagree.
I welcome any and all criticism of the GOP. I was late to embracing the GOP. I was star struck by it. I thought it was the answer.
But as I have matured I've learned that my personal world view diverts from the GOP. When others state the same I commiserate with them.
The GOP does not represent me today and it never will as it marches closer into statism. Anyone who wants to openly discuss the GOP, warts and all, is like a breath of fresh air to me. People who want to talk about conservatism and its strengths and weaknesses are people I like discussing things with. Discussion is healthy.
I believe it is honest discussion that is promoted here. And I support that.
I welcome honest, fact-based criticism of the GOP.
My husband and I stopped giving to the RNC years ago because we were dissatisfied with them, and we give our money only to conservatives around the country.
So I would suggest that those of us who defend SOME members of the GOP and reject the broadbrushed rejection of everyone in the party, or the diversion of discussions about what the Democrats are doing would stopped being labeled as idiots, boot-lickers, whatever......
There are members of the GOP (particularly the 'leadership') with which I am FURIOUS. But there are also cases where members of the GOP have hung together and are the only thing standing between us and a complete takeover of the Progressive Statists.
Again..........intellectual honesty and refraining from insulting a very large group of very conservative people.
I see Nerd and Cedric as very similar with priorites in different places Many posters here seem to like nerds trashing everything GOP, they applaud it and seem to be amused by his rudeness because it bolsters their views.....human nature and all that. Cedric on the other hand is mocked, downgraded, reported, ganged up on and once successfully timed out because he holds the opposite views and is no choir boy when expressing his views.
If RR is in trouble, it's my opinion that even among us there is a glaring double standard many of us hold as to with who will be tolerated being rude and insulting and who won't. Who should follow the very few rules we have and those who openly mock them.
Treating everyone with respect should not have gotten us here. But we are. As for myself I will say the thicker skinned members have been on nerds trash list , never has anyone called for backup or rallied to make him stop.
No one has 'turned on' nerd. It's not 'truth' in the message that he's bringing, but rather the one-sided lack of it and his inability to discuss things rationally.
He's done this to himself, algernon with his insulting, mocking, mindless bashing style.
Cedric calls him a troll.
I don't pay that much attention to nerd. If he says something that leaves me like this , which is frequently, I just move along. I don't feel that I have to prove to him that I'm right and he's wrong. Sometimes he cracks me up. Other times he confuses me. I'm not that invested in him, really.
Nor am I.
I just like intellectual honesty.
And I most certainly haven't 'turned' on him.
But I think a good case could be made that he's 'turned' on me.
However, there's no need to make it because I'm not that invested in him....
Again..........intellectual honesty, and factual accuracy and less thread hijacking are my only concern.
It is NOT intellectual honesty when you say no one has turned on him. Cedric calls him a troll. Cedric has a problem with him.
And when you clasp hands with Cedric and agree with him that there is a troll disruptor here on this forum trying to damage the forum I think you have gone loco, too.
Take it up with Justme. She controls the membership. Everything else is just noise.
Ah..........but I didn't "clasp hands with Cedric and agree with him that there is a troll disruptor." Read my words again.
I said that I wasn't so sure any more that he was wrong.
That's a far cry from "clasping hands."
I'm stating my POV (that nerd doesn't always tell the truth and that he hijacks threads), which is different from Cedric's and different from yours, Palinista.
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #61 I'm also glad to be here, and if you've been reading my posts, you know that I'm not expecting, or even wanting this to be a "Republican forum."
I also appreciate learning from divergent views and having discussions about the disagreements I have with everyone. (Yes, everyone).
That is not what I'm talking about here, and I think you know it.
I'm talking about mindless GOP bashing regardless of the subject of the thread.
There's a big difference between intelligent discussion where we disagree and one-liner insults that do nothing but offend those who disagree.
I welcome any and all criticism of the GOP. I was late to embracing the GOP. I was star struck by it. I thought it was the answer.
But as I have matured I've learned that my personal world view diverts from the GOP. When others state the same I commiserate with them.
The GOP does not represent me today and it never will as it marches closer into statism. Anyone who wants to openly discuss the GOP, warts and all, is like a breath of fresh air to me. People who want to talk about conservatism and its strengths and weaknesses are people I like discussing things with. Discussion is healthy.
I believe it is honest discussion that is promoted here. And I support that.
I welcome honest, fact-based criticism of the GOP.
My husband and I stopped giving to the RNC years ago because we were dissatisfied with them, and we give our money only to conservatives around the country.
So I would suggest that those of us who defend SOME members of the GOP and reject the broadbrushed rejection of everyone in the party, or the diversion of discussions about what the Democrats are doing would stopped being labeled as idiots, boot-lickers, whatever......
There are members of the GOP (particularly the 'leadership') with which I am FURIOUS. But there are also cases where members of the GOP have hung together and are the only thing standing between us and a complete takeover of the Progressive Statists.
Again..........intellectual honesty and refraining from insulting a very large group of very conservative people.
There is a distinction. And you and I recognize it.
I support this Congressman on this one issue at this point in time because he is right. At another point in time I will disagree with him. That he is a member of the GOP doesn't matter to me.
I don't really look at the men and women on the Hill and support THEM. I support their good ideas when they come up with them. Occasionally I like what I see. Most of the time they fall woefully short. Their view of limited government and mine are worlds apart. I have a hard time getting enthusiastic about them when I cannot agree with them.
Orthodoxy SUCKS.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
Over use of animated GIF images is a well recognized passive-aggressive personality trait.
Stop flirting with me. You're embarrassing yourself.
Orthodoxy SUCKS.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
No one has 'turned on' nerd. It's not 'truth' in the message that he's bringing, but rather the one-sided lack of it and his inability to discuss things rationally.
He's done this to himself, algernon with his insulting, mocking, mindless bashing style.
Cedric calls him a troll.
I don't pay that much attention to nerd. If he says something that leaves me like this , which is frequently, I just move along. I don't feel that I have to prove to him that I'm right and he's wrong. Sometimes he cracks me up. Other times he confuses me. I'm not that invested in him, really.
Nor am I.
I just like intellectual honesty.
And I most certainly haven't 'turned' on him.
But I think a good case could be made that he's 'turned' on me.
However, there's no need to make it because I'm not that invested in him....
Again..........intellectual honesty, and factual accuracy and less thread hijacking are my only concern.
It is NOT intellectual honesty when you say no one has turned on him. Cedric calls him a troll. Cedric has a problem with him.
And when you clasp hands with Cedric and agree with him that there is a troll disruptor here on this forum trying to damage the forum I think you have gone loco, too.
Take it up with Justme. She controls the membership. Everything else is just noise.
One extra point......... if you look at both nerd and Cedric's comments to each other and don't see them both as going after the other as opposed to one 'turning on' the other, then you probably need to look again.
The corrosive effect is measured not by how many people with thick skin have overcome or ignored it, but by how many people are no longer here because of it.
This is a great point, Cedric.
When nerd attacked me with dishonest insults, I wasn't personally offended. I too, after years online, have thick skin.
But how many people (we're not the only Republicans who signed on here) are no longer posting, or posting less because of the endless Republican hating rhetoric, the sweeping generalizations, the insults, personal or not, and the diversion of blame from the Democrats to the Republicans, that goes on here.
I'm as open to discussion as anyone and love a little bit of verbal fisticuffs, but when nearly every thread where the subject is LEFTIST malevolence is turned into a GOP bash, there is a problem.
And I'm saying it outright.......
RR now has a problem.
No! Rights Right does not have a problem but you're trying your best to give it one. All posters on a forum have different personalities and different opinions about the same topic. You, on the other hand, will outright "dog" a person on here if you take a personal dislike to them. Then you expect the management to agree with you and not the person you're trying your damnest to run off.
I'm not a republican either and I didn't know it was mandatory to belong here. I am also disgusted with republicans and their constant need for approval from the democrats. The group we have now is just as invested in their personal stake as the democrats and if I want to criticize them I'll do it. We weren't told we needed your approval as to what to say on here so someone can correct me if I'm wrong and I'll move on myself.
You should be ashamed of yourself for the way you try to turn this entire board against one poster that doesn't meet your personal criteria. Sheesh!
Was this comment directed at me, Olivia?
Because if it is, it's unbelieveably inaccurate.
And I'll leave it at that.
Yes, it was directed to you. It's not the first time you've tried to get one of the mods to ban someone and it probably won't be the last. Some of my "intellectual honesty" is based on opinion and it could be different from yours. You never know when someone is going to say something to offend your sensibilities. Bleh!
No one has 'turned on' nerd. It's not 'truth' in the message that he's bringing, but rather the one-sided lack of it and his inability to discuss things rationally.
He's done this to himself, algernon with his insulting, mocking, mindless bashing style.
Cedric calls him a troll.
I don't pay that much attention to nerd. If he says something that leaves me like this , which is frequently, I just move along. I don't feel that I have to prove to him that I'm right and he's wrong. Sometimes he cracks me up. Other times he confuses me. I'm not that invested in him, really.
Nor am I.
I just like intellectual honesty.
And I most certainly haven't 'turned' on him.
But I think a good case could be made that he's 'turned' on me.
However, there's no need to make it because I'm not that invested in him....
Again..........intellectual honesty, and factual accuracy and less thread hijacking are my only concern.
It is NOT intellectual honesty when you say no one has turned on him. Cedric calls him a troll. Cedric has a problem with him.
And when you clasp hands with Cedric and agree with him that there is a troll disruptor here on this forum trying to damage the forum I think you have gone loco, too.
Take it up with Justme. She controls the membership. Everything else is just noise.
Ah..........but I didn't "clasp hands with Cedric and agree with him that there is a troll disruptor." Read my words again.
I said that I wasn't so sure any more that he was wrong.
That's a far cry from "clasping hands."
I'm stating my POV (that nerd doesn't always tell the truth and that he hijacks threads), which is different from Cedric's and different from yours, Palinista.
It's what we do here..............right??
I said above that nerd isn't on my radar. I don't care what he says. algernonpj has said things that make me VERY uncomfortable. I'll honestly say that. That doesn't make him wrong. It makes me uncomfortable. When he says those things, I breeze past. Because I realize that what is making me uncomfortable is the realization that I don't have the knowledge that he does. So, if I just sit back and wait I could learn from him. I try to do that and a lot of times I see that in a later post he filled out his argument and it made sense. I learned.
Like I breeze past what Cedric says or what nerd says. It doesn't matter to me. It's a discussion forum where people post. So they post. It doesn't bother me.
Orthodoxy SUCKS.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
The corrosive effect is measured not by how many people with thick skin have overcome or ignored it, but by how many people are no longer here because of it.
This is a great point, Cedric.
When nerd attacked me with dishonest insults, I wasn't personally offended. I too, after years online, have thick skin.
But how many people (we're not the only Republicans who signed on here) are no longer posting, or posting less because of the endless Republican hating rhetoric, the sweeping generalizations, the insults, personal or not, and the diversion of blame from the Democrats to the Republicans, that goes on here.
I'm as open to discussion as anyone and love a little bit of verbal fisticuffs, but when nearly every thread where the subject is LEFTIST malevolence is turned into a GOP bash, there is a problem.
And I'm saying it outright.......
RR now has a problem.
No! Rights Right does not have a problem but you're trying your best to give it one. All posters on a forum have different personalities and different opinions about the same topic. You, on the other hand, will outright "dog" a person on here if you take a personal dislike to them. Then you expect the management to agree with you and not the person you're trying your damnest to run off.
I'm not a republican either and I didn't know it was mandatory to belong here. I am also disgusted with republicans and their constant need for approval from the democrats. The group we have now is just as invested in their personal stake as the democrats and if I want to criticize them I'll do it. We weren't told we needed your approval as to what to say on here so someone can correct me if I'm wrong and I'll move on myself.
You should be ashamed of yourself for the way you try to turn this entire board against one poster that doesn't meet your personal criteria. Sheesh!
Was this comment directed at me, Olivia?
Because if it is, it's unbelieveably inaccurate.
And I'll leave it at that.
Yes, it was directed to you. It's not the first time you've tried to get one of the mods to ban someone and it probably won't be the last. Some of my "intellectual honesty" is based on opinion and it could be different from yours. You never know when someone is going to say something to offend your sensibilities. Bleh!
I have no idea what your talking about with this. Never happened
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #61 I'm also glad to be here, and if you've been reading my posts, you know that I'm not expecting, or even wanting this to be a "Republican forum."
I also appreciate learning from divergent views and having discussions about the disagreements I have with everyone. (Yes, everyone).
That is not what I'm talking about here, and I think you know it.
I'm talking about mindless GOP bashing regardless of the subject of the thread.
There's a big difference between intelligent discussion where we disagree and one-liner insults that do nothing but offend those who disagree.
I welcome any and all criticism of the GOP. I was late to embracing the GOP. I was star struck by it. I thought it was the answer.
But as I have matured I've learned that my personal world view diverts from the GOP. When others state the same I commiserate with them.
The GOP does not represent me today and it never will as it marches closer into statism. Anyone who wants to openly discuss the GOP, warts and all, is like a breath of fresh air to me. People who want to talk about conservatism and its strengths and weaknesses are people I like discussing things with. Discussion is healthy.
I believe it is honest discussion that is promoted here. And I support that.
I welcome honest, fact-based criticism of the GOP.
My husband and I stopped giving to the RNC years ago because we were dissatisfied with them, and we give our money only to conservatives around the country.
So I would suggest that those of us who defend SOME members of the GOP and reject the broadbrushed rejection of everyone in the party, or the diversion of discussions about what the Democrats are doing would stopped being labeled as idiots, boot-lickers, whatever......
There are members of the GOP (particularly the 'leadership') with which I am FURIOUS. But there are also cases where members of the GOP have hung together and are the only thing standing between us and a complete takeover of the Progressive Statists.
Again..........intellectual honesty and refraining from insulting a very large group of very conservative people.
There is a distinction. And you and I recognize it.
I support this Congressman on this one issue at this point in time because he is right. At another point in time I will disagree with him. That he is a member of the GOP doesn't matter to me.
I don't really look at the men and women on the Hill and support THEM. I support their good ideas when they come up with them. Occasionally I like what I see. Most of the time they fall woefully short. Their view of limited government and mine are worlds apart. I have a hard time getting enthusiastic about them when I cannot agree with them.
I support my (former) Congressman, Jim Jordan, because he is consistently conservative, pro-life, moral, small-government and there is much to support in what he does.
Most of the people in Congress have become corrupt, and I believe term limits could go a long way to fix that. They are fat and happy and out of touch, and for them, limited government means taking away their own personal and corporate power.
We have a mess.
So I am not "enthusiastic" about Congress by any stretch of the imagination, but once again, there are times when the GOP has done the right thing, and there are many in Congress.....particularly the House........who have consistently tried to do the right thing.
If we waste our time mindlessly attack everything the GOP has done, we never get to the core of the issues.
The corrosive effect is measured not by how many people with thick skin have overcome or ignored it, but by how many people are no longer here because of it.
This is a great point, Cedric.
When nerd attacked me with dishonest insults, I wasn't personally offended. I too, after years online, have thick skin.
But how many people (we're not the only Republicans who signed on here) are no longer posting, or posting less because of the endless Republican hating rhetoric, the sweeping generalizations, the insults, personal or not, and the diversion of blame from the Democrats to the Republicans, that goes on here.
I'm as open to discussion as anyone and love a little bit of verbal fisticuffs, but when nearly every thread where the subject is LEFTIST malevolence is turned into a GOP bash, there is a problem.
And I'm saying it outright.......
RR now has a problem.
No! Rights Right does not have a problem but you're trying your best to give it one. All posters on a forum have different personalities and different opinions about the same topic. You, on the other hand, will outright "dog" a person on here if you take a personal dislike to them. Then you expect the management to agree with you and not the person you're trying your damnest to run off.
I'm not a republican either and I didn't know it was mandatory to belong here. I am also disgusted with republicans and their constant need for approval from the democrats. The group we have now is just as invested in their personal stake as the democrats and if I want to criticize them I'll do it. We weren't told we needed your approval as to what to say on here so someone can correct me if I'm wrong and I'll move on myself.
You should be ashamed of yourself for the way you try to turn this entire board against one poster that doesn't meet your personal criteria. Sheesh!
Was this comment directed at me, Olivia?
Because if it is, it's unbelieveably inaccurate.
And I'll leave it at that.
Yes, it was directed to you. It's not the first time you've tried to get one of the mods to ban someone and it probably won't be the last. Some of my "intellectual honesty" is based on opinion and it could be different from yours. You never know when someone is going to say something to offend your sensibilities. Bleh!
Wow.
I've never tried to get anyone banned, nor would I ever. I don't want nerd banned, nor have I ever wanted anyone banned.
That is an absolutely false accusation.
But it's good for me to know that you feel that way, Olivia.
The corrosive effect is measured not by how many people with thick skin have overcome or ignored it, but by how many people are no longer here because of it.
This is a great point, Cedric.
When nerd attacked me with dishonest insults, I wasn't personally offended. I too, after years online, have thick skin.
But how many people (we're not the only Republicans who signed on here) are no longer posting, or posting less because of the endless Republican hating rhetoric, the sweeping generalizations, the insults, personal or not, and the diversion of blame from the Democrats to the Republicans, that goes on here.
I'm as open to discussion as anyone and love a little bit of verbal fisticuffs, but when nearly every thread where the subject is LEFTIST malevolence is turned into a GOP bash, there is a problem.
And I'm saying it outright.......
RR now has a problem.
No! Rights Right does not have a problem but you're trying your best to give it one. All posters on a forum have different personalities and different opinions about the same topic. You, on the other hand, will outright "dog" a person on here if you take a personal dislike to them. Then you expect the management to agree with you and not the person you're trying your damnest to run off.
I'm not a republican either and I didn't know it was mandatory to belong here. I am also disgusted with republicans and their constant need for approval from the democrats. The group we have now is just as invested in their personal stake as the democrats and if I want to criticize them I'll do it. We weren't told we needed your approval as to what to say on here so someone can correct me if I'm wrong and I'll move on myself.
You should be ashamed of yourself for the way you try to turn this entire board against one poster that doesn't meet your personal criteria. Sheesh!
Was this comment directed at me, Olivia?
Because if it is, it's unbelieveably inaccurate.
And I'll leave it at that.
Yes, it was directed to you. It's not the first time you've tried to get one of the mods to ban someone and it probably won't be the last. Some of my "intellectual honesty" is based on opinion and it could be different from yours. You never know when someone is going to say something to offend your sensibilities. Bleh!
I have no idea what your talking about with this. Never happened
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #102 If we waste our time mindlessly attack everything the GOP has done, we never get to the core of the issues.
And that, is a waste of our time and energy.
It's a discussion forum. We don't have a vote in one of the House caucuses. I don't know that any of us are inside players in one of the conservative movements. I don't have any political power to speak of.
I have my voice and a vote.
I come here to discuss what's in the news. I bitch about what I don't like. I applaud what I do like.
That's all.
Orthodoxy SUCKS.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
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, which is frequently, I just move along. I don't feel that I have to prove to him that I'm right and he's wrong. Sometimes he cracks me up. Other times he confuses me. I'm not that invested in him, really.
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