Quote: musiclady wrote in post #43At first I recoiled at the idea that nerd was here as a troll to divide conservatives, but the more he posts the less sure I am that that's his goal, and that he doesn't hate Republicans far more than he hates Democrats. His posts indicate that his real enemy is the Republican Party and not the Marxist enemy.
MusicLady,
There is no thread he will not hijack, no issue he will not conflate to bash Republicans.
He never seems to offer any positive suggestions or solutions.......just ceaseless, merciless, mindless, GOP bashing.
His comments are indistinguishable from those of a troll whose mission it is to divide, despirit and demoralize.
Quote: Cedric wrote in post #46 His comments are indistinguishable from those of a troll whose mission it is to divide, despirit and demoralize.
No one can demoralize you unless you give them that power.
Orthodoxy SUCKS.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
Quote: Cedric wrote in post #46 His comments are indistinguishable from those of a troll whose mission it is to divide, despirit and demoralize.
No one can demoralize you unless you give them that power.
While that is a true statement, one wonders what the motivation is to demoralize one's own allies in the fight for America against a Marxist enemy.
And what possible good it does on a forum such as this one to deliberately try to dispirit people on the same side of the war.
I reject the premise.
nerd has no power to demoralize me because I refuse to allow it.
I see him as more libertarian than I am. That is his right. I don't agree with everything he says. I don't understand everything he says.
I don't think he cares. I think he says what he wants to say without thinking of how I read his words.
In a nutshell, I don't see a problem here.
Orthodoxy SUCKS.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #43At first I recoiled at the idea that nerd was here as a troll to divide conservatives, but the more he posts the less sure I am that that's his goal, and that he doesn't hate Republicans far more than he hates Democrats. His posts indicate that his real enemy is the Republican Party and not the Marxist enemy.
MusicLady,
There is no thread he will not hijack, no issue he will not conflate to bash Republicans.
He never seems to offer any positive suggestions or solutions.......just ceaseless, merciless, mindless, GOP bashing.
His comments are indistinguishable from those of a troll whose mission it is to divide, despirit and demoralize.
The problem as I see it is exactly what you say here.
There are no positive suggestions.
Only one-liners and endless insults that do nothing but attempt to discourage the very people who are looking for a solution to the problems we face.
You and I disagree on some things. I actually agree with nerd on many things.
But with you, a discussion is possible. With him, it is not.
Quote: Cedric wrote in post #46 His comments are indistinguishable from those of a troll whose mission it is to divide, despirit and demoralize.
No one can demoralize you unless you give them that power.
While that is a true statement, one wonders what the motivation is to demoralize one's own allies in the fight for America against a Marxist enemy.
And what possible good it does on a forum such as this one to deliberately try to dispirit people on the same side of the war.
I reject the premise.
nerd has no power to demoralize me because I refuse to allow it.
I see him as more libertarian than I am. That is his right. I don't agree with everything he says. I don't understand everything he says.
I don't think he cares. I think he says what he wants to say without thinking of how I read his words.
In a nutshell, I don't see a problem here.
That's fine.
I do see a problem because I think we need to find common ground on which to discuss things.
Mindless insults don't work to that end.
nerd has every right to insult and evade truthful discussion, and I also have the right to call him on it.
And I hope you acknowledge that I have the right to the opinion that it harms the forum when he turns every thread he's on, no matter what the subject, into an "I hate all Republicans" insult-fest.
I am a very dissatisfied Republican, but I AM a Republican.
Quote: Cedric wrote in post #46 His comments are indistinguishable from those of a troll whose mission it is to divide, despirit and demoralize.
No one can demoralize you unless you give them that power.
While that is a true statement, one wonders what the motivation is to demoralize one's own allies in the fight for America against a Marxist enemy.
And what possible good it does on a forum such as this one to deliberately try to dispirit people on the same side of the war.
I reject the premise.
nerd has no power to demoralize me because I refuse to allow it.
I see him as more libertarian than I am. That is his right. I don't agree with everything he says. I don't understand everything he says.
I don't think he cares. I think he says what he wants to say without thinking of how I read his words.
In a nutshell, I don't see a problem here.
That's fine.
I do see a problem because I think we need to find common ground on which to discuss things.
Mindless insults don't work to that end.
nerd has every right to insult and evade truthful discussion, and I also have the right to call him on it.
And I hope you acknowledge that I have the right to the opinion that it harms the forum when he turns every thread he's on, no matter what the subject, into an "I hate all Republicans" insult-fest.
I am a very dissatisfied Republican, but I AM a Republican.
And I'm not the enemy of America.
The radical left is.
A common ground versus an enemy of America?
I don't see it as an either or equation.
I'm not a member of the Republican party. I am not a member of the Tea Party. I am not a libertarian. I am not a Constitutionalist. I am not a conservative in the Freeper mindset. I am not as conservative as the majority of my congregation at my church.
I think discussion will help us find where we have agreement. It will also show us disagreement. In the end all discussion will inform the group. This is a positive.
If I wanted to post at Republican forum I would. I don't. I'm not interested in that.
I appreciate differing points of view. And I admit that I am not as conservative on this principle or that compared to my neighbor. Talking to my neighbor strengthens me because it increases my awareness.
That's how I see a discussion forum. Justme was kind enough to extend an invitation to me and I am thankful to be here.
I think this is a nice place.
Orthodoxy SUCKS.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
Quote: Cedric wrote in post #46 His comments are indistinguishable from those of a troll whose mission it is to divide, despirit and demoralize.
No one can demoralize you unless you give them that power.
That doesn't excuse the attempt to do so.
Remember, the name of this site is "Right's Right", not "GOP Sucks".
I don't think people join here in the hopes that they'll be treated to an unending, root-canal-sans-novocaine, Republican Party bash-athon.
I know I didn't.
Like it or not, the GOP is currently the only national repository of right-of-center political power.
So, continually (even dishonstly) bashing it here is counter-productive and, yes, demoralizing in a very insideous way.
Again, I reject the premise. I don't accept that he is out to demoralize me because he is incapable of doing so.
I have a thicker skin than that.
Orthodoxy SUCKS.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
The corrosive effect is measured not by how many people with thick skin have overcome or ignored it, but by how many people are no longer here because of it.
The corrosive effect is measured not by how many people with thick skin have overcome or ignored it, but by how many people are no longer here because of it.
I don't see nerd as a troll.
I see him as someone who sometimes points out things that make even ME uncomfortable because he is right.
Other times, I disagree with him and have no idea what he is saying.
But when he is right, he's right.
I don't get the turn on nerd. I don't see that his presence is dangerous. Let the management handle the membership in this instance. We have trusted them thus far. They promised us that they would.
Orthodoxy SUCKS.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
The corrosive effect is measured not by how many people with thick skin have overcome or ignored it, but by how many people are no longer here because of it.
This is a great point, Cedric.
When nerd attacked me with dishonest insults, I wasn't personally offended. I too, after years online, have thick skin.
But how many people (we're not the only Republicans who signed on here) are no longer posting, or posting less because of the endless Republican hating rhetoric, the sweeping generalizations, the insults, personal or not, and the diversion of blame from the Democrats to the Republicans, that goes on here.
I'm as open to discussion as anyone and love a little bit of verbal fisticuffs, but when nearly every thread where the subject is LEFTIST malevolence is turned into a GOP bash, there is a problem.
The corrosive effect is measured not by how many people with thick skin have overcome or ignored it, but by how many people are no longer here because of it.
I don't see nerd as a troll.
I see him as someone who sometimes points out things that make even ME uncomfortable because he is right.
Other times, I disagree with him and have no idea what he is saying.
But when he is right, he's right.
I don't get the turn on nerd. I don't see that his presence is dangerous. Let the management handle the membership in this instance. We have trusted them thus far. They promised us that they would.
I trust the management.
I still have the right to voice my objections to continual diversion from the subject of the thread to "everything is the GOP's fault," and to voice my agreement with Cedric that doing this is having a negative effect on the forum as a whole.
Just as you have the right to reject the premise and see no problem with the continual hijacking of threads.
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