Quote: Cedric wrote in post #46 His comments are indistinguishable from those of a troll whose mission it is to divide, despirit and demoralize.
No one can demoralize you unless you give them that power.
While that is a true statement, one wonders what the motivation is to demoralize one's own allies in the fight for America against a Marxist enemy.
And what possible good it does on a forum such as this one to deliberately try to dispirit people on the same side of the war.
I reject the premise.
nerd has no power to demoralize me because I refuse to allow it.
I see him as more libertarian than I am. That is his right. I don't agree with everything he says. I don't understand everything he says.
I don't think he cares. I think he says what he wants to say without thinking of how I read his words.
In a nutshell, I don't see a problem here.
That's fine.
I do see a problem because I think we need to find common ground on which to discuss things.
Mindless insults don't work to that end.
nerd has every right to insult and evade truthful discussion, and I also have the right to call him on it.
And I hope you acknowledge that I have the right to the opinion that it harms the forum when he turns every thread he's on, no matter what the subject, into an "I hate all Republicans" insult-fest.
I am a very dissatisfied Republican, but I AM a Republican.
And I'm not the enemy of America.
The radical left is.
A common ground versus an enemy of America?
I don't see it as an either or equation.
I'm not a member of the Republican party. I am not a member of the Tea Party. I am not a libertarian. I am not a Constitutionalist. I am not a conservative in the Freeper mindset. I am not as conservative as the majority of my congregation at my church.
I think discussion will help us find where we have agreement. It will also show us disagreement. In the end all discussion will inform the group. This is a positive.
If I wanted to post at Republican forum I would. I don't. I'm not interested in that.
I appreciate differing points of view. And I admit that I am not as conservative on this principle or that compared to my neighbor. Talking to my neighbor strengthens me because it increases my awareness.
That's how I see a discussion forum. Justme was kind enough to extend an invitation to me and I am thankful to be here.
I think this is a nice place.
I'm also glad to be here, and if you've been reading my posts, you know that I'm not expecting, or even wanting this to be a "Republican forum."
I also appreciate learning from divergent views and having discussions about the disagreements I have with everyone. (Yes, everyone).
That is not what I'm talking about here, and I think you know it.
I'm talking about mindless GOP bashing regardless of the subject of the thread.
There's a big difference between intelligent discussion where we disagree and one-liner insults that do nothing but offend those who disagree.
Quote: Palinista wrote in post #58I don't get the turn on nerd. I don't see that his presence is dangerous. Let the management handle the membership in this instance. We have trusted them thus far. They promised us that they would.
I trust the management.
I still have the right to voice my objections to continual diversion from the subject of the thread to "everything is the GOP's fault," and to voice my agreement with Cedric that doing this is having a negative effect on the forum as a whole.
Just as you have the right to reject the premise and see no problem with the continual hijacking of threads.
I think RR is in trouble.
It should be growing and it's not.
I'm sure some here blame me for the caustic, fight-fire-with-fire, tactics I adopted after I got fed-up with all the mindless, defeatist, negativity and GOP bashing.
But, I contend that the real problem lies in the oppressive and pervasive, Debbie Downer, attack-the-GOP-first, mentality, not my reaction to it.
The corrosive effect is measured not by how many people with thick skin have overcome or ignored it, but by how many people are no longer here because of it.
I don't see nerd as a troll.
I see him as someone who sometimes points out things that make even ME uncomfortable because he is right.
Other times, I disagree with him and have no idea what he is saying.
But when he is right, he's right.
I don't get the turn on nerd. I don't see that his presence is dangerous. Let the management handle the membership in this instance. We have trusted them thus far. They promised us that they would.
And that discomfort is exactly why some turn on him. It's the old blame the messenger, not the message routine.
As I posted earlier today, denial ain't only a river in Egypt.
Quote: Palinista wrote in post #58I don't get the turn on nerd. I don't see that his presence is dangerous. Let the management handle the membership in this instance. We have trusted them thus far. They promised us that they would.
I trust the management.
I still have the right to voice my objections to continual diversion from the subject of the thread to "everything is the GOP's fault," and to voice my agreement with Cedric that doing this is having a negative effect on the forum as a whole.
Just as you have the right to reject the premise and see no problem with the continual hijacking of threads.
I think RR is in trouble.
It should be growing and it's not.
I'm sure some here blame me for the caustic, fight-fire-with-fire, tactics I adopted after I got fed-up with all the mindless, defeatist, negativity and GOP bashing.
But, I contend that the real problem lies in the oppressive and pervasive, Debbie Downer, attack-the-GOP-first, mentality, not my reaction to it.
Some people react by fighting fire with fire. Some people react by pointing out what's going on. And others react by not posting any more.
But the fact of the matter is that there is something going on here to react against.
It's easy for it to happen when those of a single mindset (i.e. the Republicans are all at fault for everything) start dominating the forum.
Whether it's right or not, people who still want to note what the Republicans have done right, and not blame them for everything, are likely being pushed away.
The corrosive effect is measured not by how many people with thick skin have overcome or ignored it, but by how many people are no longer here because of it.
I don't see nerd as a troll.
I see him as someone who sometimes points out things that make even ME uncomfortable because he is right.
Other times, I disagree with him and have no idea what he is saying.
But when he is right, he's right.
I don't get the turn on nerd. I don't see that his presence is dangerous. Let the management handle the membership in this instance. We have trusted them thus far. They promised us that they would.
And that discomfort is exactly why some turn on him. It's the old blame the messenger, not the message routine.
As I posted earlier today, denial ain't only a river in Egypt.
Untrue.
No one has 'turned on' nerd. It's not 'truth' in the message that he's bringing, but rather the one-sided lack of it and his inability to discuss things rationally.
He's done this to himself, algernon with his insulting, mocking, mindless bashing style.
The corrosive effect is measured not by how many people with thick skin have overcome or ignored it, but by how many people are no longer here because of it.
This is a great point, Cedric.
When nerd attacked me with dishonest insults, I wasn't personally offended. I too, after years online, have thick skin.
But how many people (we're not the only Republicans who signed on here) are no longer posting, or posting less because of the endless Republican hating rhetoric, the sweeping generalizations, the insults, personal or not, and the diversion of blame from the Democrats to the Republicans, that goes on here.
I'm as open to discussion as anyone and love a little bit of verbal fisticuffs, but when nearly every thread where the subject is LEFTIST malevolence is turned into a GOP bash, there is a problem.
And I'm saying it outright.......
RR now has a problem.
No! Rights Right does not have a problem but you're trying your best to give it one. All posters on a forum have different personalities and different opinions about the same topic. You, on the other hand, will outright "dog" a person on here if you take a personal dislike to them. Then you expect the management to agree with you and not the person you're trying your damnest to run off.
I'm not a republican either and I didn't know it was mandatory to belong here. I am also disgusted with republicans and their constant need for approval from the democrats. The group we have now is just as invested in their personal stake as the democrats and if I want to criticize them I'll do it. We weren't told we needed your approval as to what to say on here so someone can correct me if I'm wrong and I'll move on myself.
You should be ashamed of yourself for the way you try to turn this entire board against one poster that doesn't meet your personal criteria. Sheesh!
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #64Whether it's right or not, people who still want to note what the Republicans have done right, and not blame them for everything, are likely being pushed away.
A couple of recent anecdotes come to mind:
Every GOP member of the Senate voted to repeal Obamacare and someone here said, "They only voted that way 'cause they knew it didn't mean anything."
The GOP defeated an onerous gun-grabber bill and some one concluded, "They only did that so the Dems can get an even worse bill."
That's just batty!
And at some point, a reasonable person must conclude that it's purposefully dishonest.
The corrosive effect is measured not by how many people with thick skin have overcome or ignored it, but by how many people are no longer here because of it.
This is a great point, Cedric.
When nerd attacked me with dishonest insults, I wasn't personally offended. I too, after years online, have thick skin.
But how many people (we're not the only Republicans who signed on here) are no longer posting, or posting less because of the endless Republican hating rhetoric, the sweeping generalizations, the insults, personal or not, and the diversion of blame from the Democrats to the Republicans, that goes on here.
I'm as open to discussion as anyone and love a little bit of verbal fisticuffs, but when nearly every thread where the subject is LEFTIST malevolence is turned into a GOP bash, there is a problem.
And I'm saying it outright.......
RR now has a problem.
No! Rights Right does not have a problem but you're trying your best to give it one. All posters on a forum have different personalities and different opinions about the same topic. You, on the other hand, will outright "dog" a person on here if you take a personal dislike to them . Then you expect the management to agree with you and not the person you're trying your damnest to run off.
I'm not a republican either and I didn't know it was mandatory to belong here. I am also disgusted with republicans and their constant need for approval from the democrats. The group we have now is just as invested in their personal stake as the democrats and if I want to criticize them I'll do it. We weren't told we needed your approval as to what to say on here so someone can correct me if I'm wrong and I'll move on myself.
You should be ashamed of yourself for the way you try to turn this entire board against one poster that doesn't meet your personal criteria. Sheesh!
I like nerd. I may not always understand what nerd says, but when I do, I find that I am almost always in agreement with what he says! Nerd says many things that make some people very uncomfortable, the reason is that he shatters the myth that there is an effective and reliable "OUR side" in DC. There is a "ruling class" in DC, some wear the "R" button and some wear the "D" button, as Codevilla says, we in the "country class" no longer have any representation. (And make no bones about it, that message is VERY uncomfortable for most to accept! It is far easier to shoot at nerd rather than understand the truth in what he is saying.) Carrying on and on about how bad the "D"s are is much easier, but as I said here before, no one needs to be told that water is wet. We all understand that.
No one has 'turned on' nerd. It's not 'truth' in the message that he's bringing, but rather the one-sided lack of it and his inability to discuss things rationally.
He's done this to himself, algernon with his insulting, mocking, mindless bashing style.
Cedric calls him a troll.
I don't pay that much attention to nerd. If he says something that leaves me like this , which is frequently, I just move along. I don't feel that I have to prove to him that I'm right and he's wrong. Sometimes he cracks me up. Other times he confuses me. I'm not that invested in him, really.
Orthodoxy SUCKS.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #48one wonders what the motivation is to demoralize one's own allies in the fight for America against a Marxist enemy.
{This'll make me more popular that ever!}
These people are so beaten down by the Marxist enemy, they feel so defeatist and timid that they no longer possess the requisite courage to attack that real enemy, so they turn on their erstwhile allies out of frustration, instinctively knowing that it is relatively "safer" to do so.
And in their battered states, "safer" is what they seek above all else.
Quote: FP123 wrote in post #69I like nerd. I may not always understand what nerd says, but when I do, I find that I am almost always in agreement with what he says! Nerd says many things that make some people very uncomfortable, the reason is that he shatters the myth that there is an effective and reliable "OUR side" in DC. There is a "ruling class" in DC, some wear the "R" button and some wear the "D" button, as Codevilla says, we in the "country class" no longer have any representation. (And make no bones about it, that message is VERY uncomfortable for most to accept! It is far easier to shoot at nerd rather than understand the truth in what he is saying.) Carrying on and on about how bad the "D"s are is much easier, but as I said here before, no one needs to be told that water is wet. We all understand that.
Exactly! Several people discussing the same topic will express their views in different ways. Some people think it's "my way or the highway" when discussing politics but that's not realistic to expect.
We might not be "growing" as some would like, but the ones here don't need to post lock-step with each other either. It's one thing to disagree but to deliberately "trash" someone in post after post & point on what is considered their "faults" is appalling and disrespecful to say the least.
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #61 I'm also glad to be here, and if you've been reading my posts, you know that I'm not expecting, or even wanting this to be a "Republican forum."
I also appreciate learning from divergent views and having discussions about the disagreements I have with everyone. (Yes, everyone).
That is not what I'm talking about here, and I think you know it.
I'm talking about mindless GOP bashing regardless of the subject of the thread.
There's a big difference between intelligent discussion where we disagree and one-liner insults that do nothing but offend those who disagree.
I welcome any and all criticism of the GOP. I was late to embracing the GOP. I was star struck by it. I thought it was the answer.
But as I have matured I've learned that my personal world view diverts from the GOP. When others state the same I commiserate with them.
The GOP does not represent me today and it never will as it marches closer into statism. Anyone who wants to openly discuss the GOP, warts and all, is like a breath of fresh air to me. People who want to talk about conservatism and its strengths and weaknesses are people I like discussing things with. Discussion is healthy.
I believe it is honest discussion that is promoted here. And I support that.
Orthodoxy SUCKS.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." Thomas Jefferson
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #48one wonders what the motivation is to demoralize one's own allies in the fight for America against a Marxist enemy.
{This'll make me more popular that ever!}
These people are so beaten down by the Marxist enemy, they feel so defeatist and timid that they no longer possess the requisite courage to attack that real enemy, so they turn on their erstwhile allies out of frustration, instinctively knowing that it is relatively "safer" to do so.
And in their battered states, "safer" is what they seek above all else.
Ha! Some people are hog-tied by blind loyalty while others take a realistic view of the situation & call it like it is. Republican or democrat, both parties have failed our country. The republican party does have some members that try to hold the line but they're outnumbered by the rest. Trying to pretend otherwise is naive.
Quote: Olivia wrote in post #74The republican party does have some members that try to hold the line but they're outnumbered by the rest. Trying to pretend otherwise is naive.
Olivia,
I would applaude you for recognizing that the "republican party does have some members that try to hold the line."
It's a start!
I would then opine that "trying to pretend" that there aren't any wayward Republicans has never been a problem around here.
But I can't.
Because the last thing you wrote to me was an admonition to never address you again, as you didn't care about anything I said.
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, which is frequently, I just move along. I don't feel that I have to prove to him that I'm right and he's wrong. Sometimes he cracks me up. Other times he confuses me. I'm not that invested in him, really.
