It's budget/Continuing Resolution season in DC and that means the last chance to defund ObamaCare before it goes into effect next year.

Mike Lee is trying to rally Senate Republicans to sign a letter pledging not to vote for any budget item that doesn't defund ObamaCare and boost his potential 2016 candidacy but mostly boost his potential 2016 candidacy.

He has 11 other GOP Senators on board. 11. That's how many will stand against ObamaCare: Rubio, Cruz, Risch, Paul, Inhofe, Vitter, Thune, Chiesa, Enzi, Fischer, Grassley.

Think that's pathetic?

At one point he had 17 but Ayotte, Boozman, Cornyn, Kirk, & Wicker withdrew.

Yeah.

Anyway, some in the House (but probably not Boehner and the rest of the leadership) are willing to go the shutdown route because let's be honest, this calls for fruitless gesture on someone's part. But the reality in the Senate says it's not happening.

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Democrats, with 54 votes, have enough to pass anything that requires a simple majority, and won't have much trouble getting to a filibuster-proof 60 votes, either. "I could count six or seven Republicans who would vote for full funding of the continuing resolution without breaking a sweat," says one Senate aide who supports defunding. "So they're going to get to 60."

But that's just the discretionary part of Obamacare. The far bigger portions of the program, including the billions and billions of dollars in subsidies that will start going to Americans on Jan. 1, are mandatory spending, an entitlement funded by an automatic appropriation which is written into law and runs without further congressional action. To change that, Congress would have to change Obamacare.

In the Senate, that would take 67 votes -- the amount needed to overcome a guaranteed presidential veto. If the 46 Senate Republicans voted unanimously to end the Obamacare entitlement, they would have to persuade 21 Democrats to go along.

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ObamaCare in all its freedom and economy destroying glory is a done deal. The reality is that was the case back in November when Mitt "ELECTABILITY" Romney got his ass kicked by a President sitting on one of the worst economies in history.

There's simply nothing the GOP can do about it now. And if you think they are going to win in 2016 by promising to repeal one of the largest entitlement programs in history, you're crazy. And if you think they'd actually do it if they win, you're even crazier.

Nope, from now on the GOP mantra, led by the Chris Christies (who I predict with be the GOP nominee in 2016) of the world will be "fix" ObamaCare. You know like how we've spent decades "fixing" Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. The GOP isn't the party of smaller government and more freedom it's the party of big government just run a little differently.

The only people who will still be talking about repeal will be scammers who want money to sign "An urgent petition to tell Washington blah, blah, blah".

Should the House threaten to or actually shutdown the government? Sure, why not? It'll last a couple of weeks, maybe a month and then the GOP will cave.

Do it, don't do it, it really doesn't matter. Personally I'm for that because it will help to destroy the GOP and that's a good thing in my book. They lost the fight of our lifetime, why exactly do they deserve to exist? It's time to start again and maybe in 40 or 50 years things will get better. Don't kid yourself, that's the time frame and an optimistic one at that.

But hey...they are perfectly happy to give you amnesty as a consolation prize.

http://minx.cc/?post=341980

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The GOP isn't the party of smaller government and more freedom it's the party of big government just run a little differently.

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Well there ya have it.

Doom and gloom, doom and gloom. Depressing. No wonder people are leaving this place.

Fact is that any law can be overturned. If Obamacare is the disaster the GOP says it is, the GOP can run against it and get it overturned. Or we'll just have to live with it and "tweak" it. Or refuse to fund the damn thing through the house.

I'm not pessimistic, I'm optimistic, actually. Obamacare may actually be the one thing to give the GOP a shot at redemption in capturing the Senate and finally the Presidency.

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Um.....

What would the GOP be replaced with?

Who, specifically, will lead the effort?

Who will be contacted to consider active, full-time, leadership positions?

Where will the funding for it come from?

{And other incidental, minor, stuff like that.}

Oh, and remember, NOT ONE REPUBLCAN VOTED FOR OBAMACARE......NONE!

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It's time to start again and maybe in 40 or 50 years things will get better. Don't kid yourself, that's the time frame and an optimistic one at that.

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And he is probably correct (although he does say that it is an optimistic time frame). But the problem is that nothing is going to "start again" until there is some type of "resetting" event. What that event is, I don't know, many have speculated across the board on what/how it may happen. Chances are that some of them will be at least partially correct. But the one thing that is certain is that there will be a lot more widespread "pain" that will occur before (and during) the "resetting" event. That's why many are preparing for it to the best of their abilities, but sadly the vast majority are not, not at all. It is also why many of us hope that it can come as quickly as possible as we'd like to be the ones to absorb as much of the pain as possible so that our children (less likely unless they are very young now) and grandchildren (hopefully more likely for them) can spend a greater part of their lives during the rebuilding, rather than this continuing and worsening decline.

* - And that is why so many people here are so thoroughly disgusted with the GOP. We recognize that the chance of an alternative "third party" gaining enough strength and power to make a substantive difference at this point is near nil. (No one posting here as any illusions about the Democrat party doing anything positive, nothing at all. And that is why many no longer bother wasting our time targeting them for anything but some morbid grave yard humor from time to time.) But for many of us we had some (that varies greatly across the spectrum) hope that the GOP would be the counter balance to the evil of the other side. For some that hope dried up almost completely long ago, others still cling to it at varying degrees that waxes and wanes based on events as they unfold. An honest and objective assessment as to how well today's GOP (eGOP or GOPe, whatever one likes to label them) is performing as that counter balance has not provided much encouragement, sadly.

Just using this topic (defunding o-care) as an example, this CR is not the first opportunity to stop this by defunding. The opportunity has come and gone every fiscal year since it was rammed through. I remember Michelle Bachmann mounting an effort to immediately defund the $185 million appropriated (which was irregular at best) in the bill itself for the subsequent fiscal year. She was quashed immediately by the new "leadership." Any one paying attention then could see the script had already been written (and we've seen it played out in every new CR since). (That brings to mind the Churchill quote that @conservgramma mentioned the other day; the one about it getting harder and harder to fight (and the chances of succeeding diminishing) over time.)

And just to waver slightly from this topic, can anyone offer a reasonable explanation as to why the GOP controlled House has played along with this CR BS for all this time? Couldn't they at least make an effort to follow regular order and develop budgets (there really are only 12 of them to deal with the whole ball of wax) through sub-committees and committees and bring them to the floor for a vote? Based on the lack of such effort one can reasonably conclude that they also are "OK" with using the sham CRs that are always rushed through with no time left on the clock. I suppose that they are also "OK" with the fact the so called "one time" ~$800 Billion stimulus amounts remain in every baseline since 2009 and have been increased automatically every year via the baseline budgeting scam?

All of the almost 40 "repeal" votes have been nothing but political theater, everyone knows that those stand alone bills were dead as soon as the roll call was completed. In addition to the CR BS they've had other opportunities to attach an effective "repeal" to other "must pass" legislation like the debt ceiling increases. Despite the efforts of Senator Lee and the handful of fellow patriots in the Senate and House that support his efforts, I expect we will see the same opportunities pass by the wayside for this upcoming CR and the next debt ceiling increase fiasco as well. How long does one expect more and more people to continually watch this tragic theater unfold and not begin to question the intentions and motives of the GOP "leadership?"

Got this, this morning in an email, thought I'd pass it on ............


http://www.youtube.com/embed/svGDZOW-brA?rel=0


"there are no rules ...the system is too corrupted"

W-girl..I just watched this. In my opinion..we dont need any of them. We dont need anymore rules or bills or laws or any of their crap. None of them do the job they were hired to do. Congress shouldnt even be a full time job..they should meet occasionally, like they were supposed to do. The more time they put in up there, the more BS for the people. Who the hell ever heard on voting for something when you have no idea what its about? Its like..choose a side..majority wins..no matter what it happens to be. Dont these people even think of their own families and future descendants that have to live by the rules they vote on, blindly? I am so sorry I ever got interested inpolitics and am aware of whats going on. No wonder so many people dont pay any attention to them. One less thing to stress them out..and this particular thing has their hands tied. Oh sure..vote for someone else. Who? It seems they all go along with the flow, once they get there. Sickening!!

Dispelling the myths of Republicans being hurt by a government shutdown: http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-blasts-richard-burr-for-surrendering-on-obamacare-explains-what-really-happened-in-1995/

(Third video down.)

For those that don't like to listen to Mark's voice, here is Dan Mitchell's article that he is referencing:

http://www.nationalreview.com/node/260724/print

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Quote: Cedric wrote in post #4

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Um.....

What would the GOP be replaced with?

Who, specifically, will lead the effort?

Who will be contacted to consider active, full-time, leadership positions?

Where will the funding for it come from?

{And other incidental, minor, stuff like that.}

Oh, and remember, NOT ONE REPUBLCAN VOTED FOR OBAMACARE......NONE!

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The general answer for all of your questions is: No one, nothing. We're too far down the road with this bogus "two party" system, we're stuck at this point with what we've got *.

The author notes:

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It's time to start again and maybe in 40 or 50 years things will get better. Don't kid yourself, that's the time frame and an optimistic one at that.

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And he is probably correct (although he does say that it is an optimistic time frame). But the problem is that nothing is going to "start again" until there is some type of "resetting" event. What that event is, I don't know, many have speculated across the board on what/how it may happen. Chances are that some of them will be at least partially correct. But the one thing that is certain is that there will be a lot more widespread "pain" that will occur before (and during) the "resetting" event. That's why many are preparing for it to the best of their abilities, but sadly the vast majority are not, not at all. It is also why many of us hope that it can come as quickly as possible as we'd like to be the ones to absorb as much of the pain as possible so that our children (less likely unless they are very young now) and grandchildren (hopefully more likely for them) can spend a greater part of their lives during the rebuilding, rather than this continuing and worsening decline.

* - And that is why so many people here are so thoroughly disgusted with the GOP. We recognize that the chance of an alternative "third party" gaining enough strength and power to make a substantive difference at this point is near nil. (No one posting here as any illusions about the Democrat party doing anything positive, nothing at all. And that is why many no longer bother wasting our time targeting them for anything but some morbid grave yard humor from time to time.) But for many of us we had some (that varies greatly across the spectrum) hope that the GOP would be the counter balance to the evil of the other side. For some that hope dried up almost completely long ago, others still cling to it at varying degrees that waxes and wanes based on events as they unfold. An honest and objective assessment as to how well today's GOP (eGOP or GOPe, whatever one likes to label them) is performing as that counter balance has not provided much encouragement, sadly.

Just using this topic (defunding o-care) as an example, this CR is not the first opportunity to stop this by defunding. The opportunity has come and gone every fiscal year since it was rammed through. I remember Michelle Bachmann mounting an effort to immediately defund the $185 million appropriated (which was irregular at best) in the bill itself for the subsequent fiscal year. She was quashed immediately by the new "leadership." Any one paying attention then could see the script had already been written (and we've seen it played out in every new CR since). (That brings to mind the Churchill quote that @conservgramma mentioned the other day; the one about it getting harder and harder to fight (and the chances of succeeding diminishing) over time.)

And just to waver slightly from this topic, can anyone offer a reasonable explanation as to why the GOP controlled House has played along with this CR BS for all this time? Couldn't they at least make an effort to follow regular order and develop budgets (there really are only 12 of them to deal with the whole ball of wax) through sub-committees and committees and bring them to the floor for a vote? Based on the lack of such effort one can reasonably conclude that they also are "OK" with using the sham CRs that are always rushed through with no time left on the clock. I suppose that they are also "OK" with the fact the so called "one time" ~$800 Billion stimulus amounts remain in every baseline since 2009 and have been increased automatically every year via the baseline budgeting scam?

All of the almost 40 "repeal" votes have been nothing but political theater, everyone knows that those stand alone bills were dead as soon as the roll call was completed. In addition to the CR BS they've had other opportunities to attach an effective "repeal" to other "must pass" legislation like the debt ceiling increases. Despite the efforts of Senator Lee and the handful of fellow patriots in the Senate and House that support his efforts, I expect we will see the same opportunities pass by the wayside for this upcoming CR and the next debt ceiling increase fiasco as well. How long does one expect more and more people to continually watch this tragic theater unfold and not begin to question the intentions and motives of the GOP "leadership?"

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Bravo !

Quote: FP123 wrote in post #10

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Dispelling the myths of Republicans being hurt by a government shutdown: http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-blasts-richard-burr-for-surrendering-on-obamacare-explains-what-really-happened-in-1995/

(Third video down.)

For those that don't like to listen to Mark's voice, here is Dan Mitchell's article that he is referencing:

http://www.nationalreview.com/node/260724/print

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Quote: Cedric wrote in post #13

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Quote: FP123 wrote in post #10

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Dispelling the myths of Republicans being hurt by a government shutdown: http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-blasts-richard-burr-for-surrendering-on-obamacare-explains-what-really-happened-in-1995/

(Third video down.)

For those that don't like to listen to Mark's voice, here is Dan Mitchell's article that he is referencing:

http://www.nationalreview.com/node/260724/print

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As Mr. Mitchell points out in his article the GOP lost House seats in the next election, I submit, because the conservative rank & file didn't have the stomach for a government shutdown fight as the insincerely claimed.....they ran for the tall grass as soon as Newt and the boys got some blowback.

The point is: Whether it's true or not, elected GOP officials think it's true (and I can't blame them).

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