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I voted for w, the first time, but did not the second time, the minute he started growing government, he and I were finished. The minute a president starts spending it seems to last forever, so even today, the growth that W started continues and will forever, plus 10% a year, that is the monster called base line budgeting.

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All true, just after all reagan did trying to cut spending, with all the bogus democrat promises, and his dad losing over his no new taxes, I thought W as an MBA, holder knew how far in debt we were. All he ever did was give lip service to cutting spending, and yes it was our fault., I am on a droid, but off topic look at this
http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/DA3TIT881

Why is Bush getting all of the blame here? Remember the Senate was mostly a plurality or just barely a majority with the likes of Lincoln Chaffee, Jumping Jim Jeffords, the Maine Sisters, and a few others who were not always trustworthy in voting for the conservative position.

There was also an intense anger from the left over the 2000 election. It isn't just one person's fault for where we are today. It is foolish to think so. 9/11 was a decapitation attack. They may have been far more successful than we realize. No telling what kind of shape we would be in had Gore won.

Just think of all the MONDAY MORNING QUARTER BACKING, everyone here gets to do after the NFL playoff games tomorrow !!

Good thing this thread was here to give everyone some practice time in for a GREAT HEAD START !!

Quote: steph wrote in post #48

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Why is Bush getting all of the blame here? Remember the Senate was mostly a plurality or just barely a majority with the likes of Lincoln Chaffee, Jumping Jim Jeffords, the Maine Sisters, and a few others who were not always trustworthy in voting for the conservative position.

There was also an intense anger from the left over the 2000 election. It isn't just one person's fault for where we are today. It is foolish to think so. 9/11 was a decapitation attack. They may have been far more successful than we realize. No telling what kind of shape we would be in had Gore won.

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Look I like Bush as a person, and I think he did love his country, more than most liberals. He was certainly better than Obama and Gore (if elected).

That being said, I can't imagine a conservative looking at his term objectively and honestly and not being disappointed.

Just as you have a right to your opinion, we have a right to ours.

Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #51

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Look I like Bush as a person, and I think he did love his country, more than most liberals. He was certainly better than Obama and Gore (if elected).

That being said, I can't imagine a conservative looking at his term objectively and honestly and not being disappointed.

Just as you have a right to your opinion, we have a right to ours.

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Quote: W-Girl wrote in post #52

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #51

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Look I like Bush as a person, and I think he did love his country, more than most liberals. He was certainly better than Obama and Gore (if elected).

That being said, I can't imagine a conservative looking at his term objectively and honestly and not being disappointed.

Just as you have a right to your opinion, we have a right to ours.

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ABSOLUTELY, and I am giving my opinion !!

Our main objective, after 9/11, was the WAR ON TERROR !!

HOW SOON WE FORGET !!

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I just remember that it wasn't just one person who was involved with the legislation. It went through the House, Senate and POTUS. So the blame isn't just one person's fault. Should it have been signed into law? No, but there were some real issues that had to be addressed because of a massive intelligence failure due to Clinton's handiwork.

Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #53

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Quote: W-Girl wrote in post #52

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #51

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Look I like Bush as a person, and I think he did love his country, more than most liberals. He was certainly better than Obama and Gore (if elected).

That being said, I can't imagine a conservative looking at his term objectively and honestly and not being disappointed.

Just as you have a right to your opinion, we have a right to ours.

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ABSOLUTELY, and I am giving my opinion !!

Our main objective, after 9/11, was the WAR ON TERROR !!

HOW SOON WE FORGET !!

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Right and the amnesty push, the pork barrel spending... how did that help the war on terror?

We do have the right to expect our leaders to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, correct?

At the end of Bush's term, we managed to turn the country so against the GOP that they elected a complete fraud like Obama, purely on his liberalism and the color of his skin, and Democrats with a near total control of the government.

When just in 2005 the GOP had control of both houses of Congress.

No it's far from being only Bush's fault but damn if he didn't help.

Like it or not, it's not all the liberal media's fault.

If you can't see this, then we may be in worse trouble than I realized.

Sorry to be harsh but that's my $.02

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W-GIRL - I've been amazed at how many people have forgotten the sheer terror after 9/11. If anyone has forgotten, just watch any documentary.

Nothing like that had ever happened before, so everything was uncharted territory.

In addition, the administration knew a whole lot more than we as citizens did. The threats were enormous and daily. We were in continued, extreme danger.

As you said, it's really easy from the outside, or the next day, to make accusations.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice...........ALL patriots..........believe they did what they had to do to keep us safe.

And the absence of further attack is, for me, proof that they succeeded.

Everyone involved has said that they did what they thought best to keep America from being destroyed. When you think of what COULD have happened afterward, and realize that it DIDN'T happen, you get a different perspective on the blame game.

Quote: W-Girl wrote in post #50

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Quote: steph wrote in post #48

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Why is Bush getting all of the blame here? Remember the Senate was mostly a plurality or just barely a majority with the likes of Lincoln Chaffee, Jumping Jim Jeffords, the Maine Sisters, and a few others who were not always trustworthy in voting for the conservative position.

There was also an intense anger from the left over the 2000 election. It isn't just one person's fault for where we are today. It is foolish to think so. 9/11 was a decapitation attack. They may have been far more successful than we realize. No telling what kind of shape we would be in had Gore won.

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Thank you, Steph !!

I had to double check a few times today, whether I was on TBL with the "Blame Bush" crowd or what !!

Hind sight sure is 20-20 !!

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #53

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Quote: W-Girl wrote in post #52

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Quote: Weird Tolkienish Figure wrote in post #51

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Look I like Bush as a person, and I think he did love his country, more than most liberals. He was certainly better than Obama and Gore (if elected).

That being said, I can't imagine a conservative looking at his term objectively and honestly and not being disappointed.

Just as you have a right to your opinion, we have a right to ours.

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ABSOLUTELY, and I am giving my opinion !!

Our main objective, after 9/11, was the WAR ON TERROR !!

HOW SOON WE FORGET !!

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Right and the amnesty push, the pork barrel spending... how did that help the war on terror?

We do have the right to expect our leaders to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, correct?

At the end of Bush's term, we managed to turn the country so against the GOP that they elected a complete fraud like Obama, purely on his liberalism and the color of his skin, and Democrats with a near total control of the government.

When just in 2005 the GOP had control of both houses of Congress.

No it's far from being only Bush's fault but damn if he didn't help.

Like it or not, it's not all the liberal media's fault.

If you can't see this, then we may be in worse trouble than I realized.

Sorry to be harsh but that's my $.02

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Quote: musiclady wrote in post #56

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W-GIRL - I've been amazed at how many people have forgotten the sheer terror after 9/11. If anyone has forgotten, just watch any documentary.

Nothing like that had ever happened before, so everything was uncharted territory.

In addition, the administration knew a whole lot more than we as citizens did. The threats were enormous and daily. We were in continued, extreme danger.

As you said, it's really easy from the outside, or the next day, to make accusations.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice...........ALL patriots..........believe they did what they had to do to keep us safe.

And the absence of further attack is, for me, proof that they succeeded.

Everyone involved has said that they did what they thought best to keep America from being destroyed. When you think of what COULD have happened afterward, and realize that it DIDN'T happen, you get a different perspective on the blame game.

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Quote: Stewie wrote in post #59

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Quote: musiclady wrote in post #56

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W-GIRL - I've been amazed at how many people have forgotten the sheer terror after 9/11. If anyone has forgotten, just watch any documentary.

Nothing like that had ever happened before, so everything was uncharted territory.

In addition, the administration knew a whole lot more than we as citizens did. The threats were enormous and daily. We were in continued, extreme danger.

As you said, it's really easy from the outside, or the next day, to make accusations.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice...........ALL patriots..........believe they did what they had to do to keep us safe.

And the absence of further attack is, for me, proof that they succeeded.

Everyone involved has said that they did what they thought best to keep America from being destroyed. When you think of what COULD have happened afterward, and realize that it DIDN'T happen, you get a different perspective on the blame game.

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I am 100% with you on this. Thanks for posting it. I still don't understand the selective amnesia of so many people--and I am talking about real life folks, not just posters. Our country was under attack and we were all scared to death at the time, waiting for the foot to fall again. The Monday morning quarterbacking has become so commonplace and accepted, its refreshing to know there are at least a few people left who appreciate the measures that were so successful in keeping this country safe afterwards.

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