Another personal, little fellow my back yard is about 105 acres.

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How many of them (Republicans) are trying to undo obama care...??

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Had John McCain been elected in '08, obviously, there would be no Obamacare to undo.

Yeah, that John McCain, the one you've bragged about not voting for.

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Personal attacks a side I still would not have voted for him, he made his bed. Now it you think you can force people to vote for someone keep beating your head against the wall.

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Another personal, little fellow my back yard is about 105 acres.

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Counter to the Party loyalists: Graham, McCain, Snow, Lehman, Etc. The GOPe is more to blame then the enemy for the same reason traitors do more damage to you then the enemy. So Nerd has a point. With GOP still having open Primaries there is no reason to be loyal to a party where they are elected in major part by the opposition. That being said, there is no way to fix the democrat party because its too far gone, but there is still some chance to fix the Republican party by voting out the Rhinos and voting in conservatives. There is no chance to have a 3rd party representation since the rigged electoral system and state run press will not allow for it no matter how we feel or vote, at least not in the foreseeable future.

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What happens when you win primaries with unelectable candidates in the general elections? Christine O'Donnell is the perfect example of winning the primary and losing big time to a bearded marxist in the general. Mike Castle was not a great choice but he would have been one more vote in firing Harry Reid. So now the senate is stuck with a marxist instead of a far more evil GOPe.

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Don't buy into that trick of the media and ruling class determining who is electable. America is still majority conservative. The GOP keeps putting up democrat-light and telling us we are wrong for not going with the rhino. YOU CANNOT COMPETE WITH SANTA CLAUSE. Its insane to continue putting up so called "electable" which means ruling-class-approved candidates and then wondering why conservatives stay home and democrats/independents will still not vote for the Rino no matter how much he acts like a democrat.

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Well how many Libertarians are doing anything to actually STOP the steamrolling of the Dems?

Give me one name. I'm not talking about pundits and talking heads. I'm talking about people in the position to make policy decisions. That is the reality.

Good point. Libertarians

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Knock off the personal attacks.

Please address the topic without getting personal. If you can't do that then move on to another topic.

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How many of them (Republicans) are trying to undo obama care...??

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Had John McCain been elected in '08, obviously, there would be no Obamacare to undo.

Yeah, that John McCain, the one you've bragged about not voting for.

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Personal attacks a side I still would not have voted for him, he made his bed. Now it you think you can force people to vote for someone keep beating your head against the wall.

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My question is (a genuine one, nerd), why would anyone ever brag about allowing Obama to fulfill the dreams of the Progressive movement and destroy the country?

Because John McCain, bad as he was, and Mitt Romney, were the only stopgaps we had to stop the complete takeover of our government by Marxists.

Why would not voting for them make you proud of yourself?

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Counter to the Party loyalists: Graham, McCain, Snow, Lehman, Etc. The GOPe is more to blame then the enemy for the same reason traitors do more damage to you then the enemy. So Nerd has a point. With GOP still having open Primaries there is no reason to be loyal to a party where they are elected in major part by the opposition. That being said, there is no way to fix the democrat party because its too far gone, but there is still some chance to fix the Republican party by voting out the Rhinos and voting in conservatives. There is no chance to have a 3rd party representation since the rigged electoral system and state run press will not allow for it no matter how we feel or vote, at least not in the foreseeable future.

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What happens when you win primaries with unelectable candidates in the general elections? Christine O'Donnell is the perfect example of winning the primary and losing big time to a bearded marxist in the general. Mike Castle was not a great choice but he would have been one more vote in firing Harry Reid. So now the senate is stuck with a marxist instead of a far more evil GOPe.

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Don't buy into that trick of the media and ruling class determining who is electable. America is still majority conservative. The GOP keeps putting up democrat-light and telling us we are wrong for not going with the rhino. YOU CANNOT COMPETE WITH SANTA CLAUSE. Its insane to continue putting up so called "electable" which means ruling-class-approved candidates and then wondering why conservatives stay home and democrats/independents will still not vote for the Rino no matter how much he acts like a democrat.

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Which is it ? Either America is still majority conservative, or you cannot compete with Santa Claus?

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How many of them (Republicans) are trying to undo obama care...??

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Had John McCain been elected in '08, obviously, there would be no Obamacare to undo.

Yeah, that John McCain, the one you've bragged about not voting for.

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Personal attacks a side I still would not have voted for him, he made his bed. Now it you think you can force people to vote for someone keep beating your head against the wall.

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My question is (a genuine one, nerd), why would anyone ever brag about allowing Obama to fulfill the dreams of the Progressive movement and destroy the country?

Because John McCain, bad as he was, and Mitt Romney, were the only stopgaps we had to stop the complete takeover of our government by Marxists.

Why would not voting for them make you proud of yourself?

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I like a few million others thought mccain was a big a pos as obama, and I and millions others refused to vote for his amnesty pushing butt. It was that simple. Now you should be more concerned as to why the rove moderates keep pushing moderates, they have lost how many times now. What about 3 million sit out the vote on Mit. And I voted for mit, and he was not a bit better than liberal mccain. But I do not know why you brought mit into it other than the millions that refused to vote for a moderate to liberal again. And if the gop keeps pushing this amnesty stuff and do not stop caving, they are going to lose again.

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How many of them (Republicans) are trying to undo obama care...??

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Had John McCain been elected in '08, obviously, there would be no Obamacare to undo.

Yeah, that John McCain, the one you've bragged about not voting for.

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Personal attacks a side I still would not have voted for him, he made his bed. Now it you think you can force people to vote for someone keep beating your head against the wall.

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My question is (a genuine one, nerd), why would anyone ever brag about allowing Obama to fulfill the dreams of the Progressive movement and destroy the country?

Because John McCain, bad as he was, and Mitt Romney, were the only stopgaps we had to stop the complete takeover of our government by Marxists.

Why would not voting for them make you proud of yourself?

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I like a few million others thought mccain was a big a pos as obama, and I and millions others refused to vote for his amnesty pushing butt. It was that simple. Now you should be more concerned as to why the rove moderates keep pushing moderates, they have lost how many times now. What about 3 million sit out the vote on Mit. And I voted for mit, and he was not a bit better than liberal mccain. But I do not know why you brought mit into it other than the millions that refused to vote for a moderate to liberal again. And if the gop keeps pushing this amnesty stuff and do not stop caving, they are going to lose again.

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A moderate Mitt or McCain would have been light years better for all of us than the communist POS in office now. McCain wouldn't have let his ambassador and staff get slaughtered while watching and Mitt would have been able to at least understand the economy.

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How many of them (Republicans) are trying to undo obama care...??

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Had John McCain been elected in '08, obviously, there would be no Obamacare to undo.

Yeah, that John McCain, the one you've bragged about not voting for.

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Personal attacks a side I still would not have voted for him, he made his bed. Now it you think you can force people to vote for someone keep beating your head against the wall.

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My question is (a genuine one, nerd), why would anyone ever brag about allowing Obama to fulfill the dreams of the Progressive movement and destroy the country?

Because John McCain, bad as he was, and Mitt Romney, were the only stopgaps we had to stop the complete takeover of our government by Marxists.

Why would not voting for them make you proud of yourself?

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I like a few million others thought mccain was a big a pos as obama, and I and millions others refused to vote for his amnesty pushing butt. It was that simple. Now you should be more concerned as to why the rove moderates keep pushing moderates, they have lost how many times now. What about 3 million sit out the vote on Mit. And I voted for mit, and he was not a bit better than liberal mccain. But I do not know why you brought mit into it other than the millions that refused to vote for a moderate to liberal again. And if the gop keeps pushing this amnesty stuff and do not stop caving, they are going to lose again.

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A moderate Mitt or McCain would have been light years better for all of us than the communist POS in office now. McCain wouldn't have let his ambassador and staff get slaughtered while watching and Mitt would have been able to at least understand the economy.

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Nerd, if you think I should be as concerned with Karl Rove as I am with Obama/Soros/Holder/Jarrett/Ayers cabal you're sadly off-base.

Once again, you target the Republican, and not THE ENEMY.

steph is absolutely right. McCain would have been light years better than a COMMUNIST, and Mitt Romney a few light years more.

You have the wrong enemy in your sites.

YES, we need to reform the Republican party. YES, we have people in our party that are far from conservative.

But are they as vile, treacherous and evil as the leftists running the show right now? Are they anti-military, pro-abortion, pro-eugenics, anti-Constitutional, pro-Islamofascists?

It's a ridiculous premise.

You can't win this argument, nerd. Not against people who are educated and fact-based.

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