Quote: Cedric wrote in post #43

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I see no current evidence for a conservative takeover of the, in largely because the far right is "thumb-sucking" instead of finding and supporting conservatives up to the task.

It better happen soon or else I think the GOP will dissolve.

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I agree with your second point. But I am unclear as to what you mean by the first point -- what we have been observing for quite sometime is that the GOP party establishment has been fighting against or ignoring conservative candidates that come forward. For example, Ted Cruz in Texas. He had to fight tooth and nail against the party establishment to win his primary. Why wasn't a powerful and brilliant man of integrity like Mr. Cruz welcomed with open arms? Who is sucking what thumbs? (That part is confusing.)

Quote: FP123 wrote in post #47

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Quote: Cedric wrote in post #43

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I see no current evidence for a conservative takeover of the, in largely because the far right is "thumb-sucking" instead of finding and supporting conservatives up to the task.

It better happen soon or else I think the GOP will dissolve.

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I agree with your second point. But I am unclear as to what you mean by the first point -- what we have been observing for quite sometime is that the GOP party establishment has been fighting against or ignoring conservative candidates that come forward. For example, Ted Cruz in Texas. He had to fight tooth and nail against the party establishment to win his primary. Why wasn't a powerful and brilliant man of integrity like Mr. Cruz welcomed with open arms? Who is sucking what thumbs? (That part is confusing.)

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That would be an assumption on the part of the poster . . . and you know what assuming makes out of the assumer. I believe that rubber glue thing also applies.

Quote: Cedric wrote in post #46

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I cheer for McConnell and Boehner and any other Republican, for that matter, when I think they've done the right thing.

I do not agree that they "have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are much, much more a part of the problem, rather than the solution."

And, I find that issue to be essentially irrelevant because those are the guys we're "stuck with" right now and they're entrenched and unlikely to leave voluntarily.

So, I'll congratulate them when I can as I work to replace them with somebody better.

But, I won't waste my time or energy calling them scum or statist a-holes or traitors.

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We can disagree on the "have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are much, much more a part of the problem, rather than the solution." part.

I don't believe that it is irrelevant however, unless we are honest about the representation that we have, we will never work to replace them with better choices. We have to be willing to call a spade, a spade; otherwise we will merely replace them with other spades.

As you've seen, I also congratulate and/or thank them when they vote/act as they are supposed to do based on their promises. But I don't think it is a good idea to overlook the times in which they don't.

Quote: FP123 wrote in post #49

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We can disagree on the "have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are much, much more a part of the problem, rather than the solution." part.

I don't believe that it is irrelevant however, unless we are honest about the representation that we have, we will never work to replace them with better choices. We have to be willing to call a spade, a spade; otherwise we will merely replace them with other spades.

As you've seen, I also congratulate and/or thank them when they vote/act as they are supposed to do based on their promises. But I don't think it is a good idea to overlook the times in which they don't.

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Quite right. If we don't recognize and admit the problem, we will never be able to fix the problem.