Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #15

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The reason all our days are ruined in perpetuity is because of the terrible leadership this country had from '05 to '09. Bad policies were put in place and bad people were allowed to advance giving the opposition party a plausible argument that the mess we are in today isn't really their fault. If Bush was in there doing the right thing and defending the right thing, we would be in a different paradigm now. That is why a few of us refuse to give any pass to a two term ex President who is so damaged from his own poor decisions, he can't even show up at his parties Conventions.

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Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #15

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Quote: musiclady wrote in post #13

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I just object to the obsession and the inability to focus on the PRESENT situation.

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The reason all our days are ruined in perpetuity is because of the terrible leadership this country had from '05 to '09. Bad policies were put in place and bad people were allowed to advance giving the opposition party a plausible argument that the mess we are in today isn't really their fault. If Bush was in there doing the right thing and defending the right thing, we would be in a different paradigm now. That is why a few of us refuse to give any pass to a two term ex President who is so damaged from his own poor decisions, he can't even show up at his parties Conventions.

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Quote: musiclady wrote in post #6

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Quote: Cedric wrote in post #4

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Quote: nerd wrote in post #3

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But, but, but, but, mr rove and de bushes and the gop insiders, says we need to go along to get along and people will like us more....have another drink bonyard and canter. You voted for this crap.

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The POTUS appoints the Fed chairman.

The POTUS for the past 4 years has been Barack Obama.

Obama nominated Bernake for Fed chairman in 2009.

The more I see of garbage comments such as this from you, the more convinced I become that you are a Democrat operative/plant/troll.

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Some people are just unhealthily obsessed with hating George Bush and Karl Rove.

Unfortunately it keeps them from seeing many of the real issues.

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Once again, tarp was passed under bush and it says to do all things necessary. So if you do not like it have tarp repealed and it was and is a bush, paulson, rove bill.

Quote: musiclady wrote in post #17

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And when all Bushes are routinely blamed for everything, then there is no rational discussion of what any of them thinks or does as an individual.

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Quote: Cedric wrote in post #22

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Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #15

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The reason all our days are ruined in perpetuity is because of the terrible leadership this country had from '05 to '09.

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What a load!

GWB handed off to Obama an economy which was on the cusp of a mild recession (which was largely exaggerated and lied about).

Any Republican President would've had us out of that recession and into a recovery within 9 months.

Obama, and his destructive policies in early '09, turned that relatively mild recession into a full fledged depression.

Heck, the economy was better during Bush's "recession" than Obama's "recovery"!

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Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #23

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I don't blame Bush for everything, especially the financial collapse, but a good many of his decisions that last term had horrifying long term consequences. Some of them were as simple as not defending himself from the Left.

If he and Rove would have constantly and solidly defended his administration, it would have helped congressional members in the '06 midterm bloodbath. As it was, Rove, who was in charge of that mess, left members vulnerable and weak. How could they defend something the leader of the party couldn't or didn't? Bush pushing big spending plans also didn't help. We wouldn't have Obamacare today if the GOP could have held on to congress through that election.

Bush was for Law Of The Sea treaty. The identical type of sovereignty weakening ideas Zero is pushing.

Bush was for amnesty without border controls first. Now Zero cites that as why his idea is "bipartisan".

Bush was for placing an incompetent loser on the Supreme Court. Harriet Myers. When that didn't work, he pushed the asshat that made Obamacare Constitutional.

Bush bailed out the Banks and the car companies.

Do you see where I am going here? These half assed, short term decisions gave Zero a green light to do what he is doing with the defense of having his predecessor already blazed a trail.

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Quote: nerd wrote in post #19

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Quote: musiclady wrote in post #6

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Quote: Cedric wrote in post #4

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Quote: nerd wrote in post #3

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But, but, but, but, mr rove and de bushes and the gop insiders, says we need to go along to get along and people will like us more....have another drink bonyard and canter. You voted for this crap.

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The POTUS appoints the Fed chairman.

The POTUS for the past 4 years has been Barack Obama.

Obama nominated Bernake for Fed chairman in 2009.

The more I see of garbage comments such as this from you, the more convinced I become that you are a Democrat operative/plant/troll.

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Some people are just unhealthily obsessed with hating George Bush and Karl Rove.

Unfortunately it keeps them from seeing many of the real issues.

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I am sorry but the truth is the truth, the bushes and their boy rove have the all time spending record, 2nd only to obama. Tarp was passed under bush and his boy in the treasurt paulson, and then stimulas under obama. But it is tarp that gives the fed and the treasury the power to do what they are currently doing. And when you pass tarp and then the trillion dollars stimulus, those voting for both moved the base line, and the money for all that spending comes from somewhere. So where does it come from, and all that bad debt is still out there.

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Quote: Cedric wrote in post #25

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Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #24

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why didn't Bush defend himself

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That was his choice to make.

I don't agree with it, but he's proving in retirement that he really is the anti-Clinton.

Thank God!

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Quote: W-Girl wrote in post #26

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Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #23

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I don't blame Bush for everything, especially the financial collapse, but a good many of his decisions that last term had horrifying long term consequences. Some of them were as simple as not defending himself from the Left.

If he and Rove would have constantly and solidly defended his administration, it would have helped congressional members in the '06 midterm bloodbath. As it was, Rove, who was in charge of that mess, left members vulnerable and weak. How could they defend something the leader of the party couldn't or didn't? Bush pushing big spending plans also didn't help. We wouldn't have Obamacare today if the GOP could have held on to congress through that election.

Bush was for Law Of The Sea treaty. The identical type of sovereignty weakening ideas Zero is pushing.

Bush was for amnesty without border controls first. Now Zero cites that as why his idea is "bipartisan".

Bush was for placing an incompetent loser on the Supreme Court. Harriet Myers. When that didn't work, he pushed the asshat that made Obamacare Constitutional.

Bush bailed out the Banks and the car companies.

Do you see where I am going here? These half assed, short term decisions gave Zero a green light to do what he is doing with the defense of having his predecessor already blazed a trail.

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I don't want to agree with you ....but you are right on each point, Frank !!

I think people make the mistake of thinking of W as a conservative ...and therefore they are (were) disappointed.

But, W was a moderate just like his daddy !!

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Quote: Quix wrote in post #12

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Quote: FP123 wrote in post #11

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Just this morning I heard someone talking about 27 Trillion in 10 years (I bet it will be higher). But always remember that number bantied about in the media (pushing $17T now) is bogus. It never takes into account the unfunded liabilities for the entitlements. Recently Levin has become a John Williams subscriber and has been using material from shadowstats.com. He was reading us an article that was describing the last few years actual annual deficits as being in the $5+ T range if one accounts for the NPV of these liabilities that accrue each year, regardless of whether FedGov's queer accounting methods recognize them!

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Soooooooooooo . . . we could easily be talking about $50-100 TRILLION actual debt without too much trouble?

Wouldn't surprise me a bit.

Folks eyes glaze over and their minds fog up even MORE with such figures.

Divide by 320 million for every man woman and child . . . THEN you have reason for eyes glazing over and brain fogging up.

IT'S ALL KABUKI THEATER.

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