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#31 | RE: Jordan To Bernanke: Cough It Up! datum

Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:44 pm

Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #23
[quote=musiclady|p18612]

Bush was for Law Of The Sea treaty. The identical type of sovereignty weakening ideas Zero is pushing.

Bush was for amnesty without border controls first. Now Zero cites that as why his idea is "bipartisan".

Bush was for placing an incompetent loser on the Supreme Court. Harriet Myers. When that didn't work, he pushed the asshat that made Obamacare Constitutional.

Bush bailed out the Banks and the car companies.

Gee, you left out:

Bush guided us out of the recession he inherited from Clinton.

Bush prosecuted the War On Terror, sending an entire generation of demon possessed, blood thirsty, terrorists to their rendezvous with Allah.

Bush lowered taxes.

Bush signed the Partial Birth Abortion ban legislation.

Bush nominated solid, conservative Samuel Alito for the Supreme Court.

Do you see where I am going here?

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#32 | RE: Jordan To Bernanke: Cough It Up! datum

Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:45 pm

Quote: musiclady wrote in post #29
Quote: W-Girl wrote in post #26
Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #23

I don't blame Bush for everything, especially the financial collapse, but a good many of his decisions that last term had horrifying long term consequences. Some of them were as simple as not defending himself from the Left.

If he and Rove would have constantly and solidly defended his administration, it would have helped congressional members in the '06 midterm bloodbath. As it was, Rove, who was in charge of that mess, left members vulnerable and weak. How could they defend something the leader of the party couldn't or didn't? Bush pushing big spending plans also didn't help. We wouldn't have Obamacare today if the GOP could have held on to congress through that election.

Bush was for Law Of The Sea treaty. The identical type of sovereignty weakening ideas Zero is pushing.

Bush was for amnesty without border controls first. Now Zero cites that as why his idea is "bipartisan".

Bush was for placing an incompetent loser on the Supreme Court. Harriet Myers. When that didn't work, he pushed the asshat that made Obamacare Constitutional.

Bush bailed out the Banks and the car companies.

Do you see where I am going here? These half assed, short term decisions gave Zero a green light to do what he is doing with the defense of having his predecessor already blazed a trail.

I don't want to agree with you ....but you are right on each point, Frank !!

I think people make the mistake of thinking of W as a conservative ...and therefore they are (were) disappointed.

But, W was a moderate just like his daddy !!

Anyone who was paying attention knew George W. wasn't an across the board conservative, and anyone disappointed in him for not being what he never claimed to be should have done his or her homework.

I'll disagree with the "just like" his father because as a pro-lifer and social conservative, I found him to be far more conservative than his Dad. On other issues, yes, he was a moderate.

Remember that he campaigned on being the "education President?" How any conservative thought that he was an across the board conservative is beyond me.

Bush is no longer in offcie, but we are paying now and will pay for a long time for his sorry leadership and there is no white washing his and his merrymens roles. They gave us obama.

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#33 | RE: Jordan To Bernanke: Cough It Up! datum

Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:46 pm

Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #28
Quote: Cedric wrote in post #25
Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #24
why didn't Bush defend himself

That was his choice to make.

I don't agree with it, but he's proving in retirement that he really is the anti-Clinton.

Thank God!

Thanks God? For what? Clinton was out there gang busters getting his guy reelected. Bush was hiding in TX. Even Reagan was out there promoting the party and it's ideals right up until the disease overtook him. Does Bush have any health problem we don't know about? What the hell is his excuse to leave the party in such a damaged shape?

As it stand, Bush is going to be used like Hoover was used for decades. As an example of a failed economic President. You don't have to believe me. Just look at the info in the exit polls. People overwhelmingly blame Bush for the bad economy. That's swell, isn't it? And from seeing Bush's inactivity to correct the record, he believes it too.

I'm going to call you on this one, Frank, because you've used his not being in the public eye against him multiple times.

The following is my opinion based on my observations.....

In 2006 the Republicans lost, not because of Bush, but because they were cowards and weak-willed, just like they are now. Here in Ohio, Mike DeWine ran like a scared rabbit from our troops in Iraq and the President's policy because of public pressure against it (who wants to back the guy being beat up by the bullies?), and he lost to Sherrod Brown. He didn't lose because of the President. He lost because he didn't stand up for principles and against the media (remember the lies about Iraq? the lies about Katrina? remember Mark Foley?).

Since he left office, Bush has done a number of public appearances that have been quickly sold out. He's not nearly as unpopular as you give him blame for. He hasn't been asked to a convention because he's still the scapegoat for all things wrong in the world, and the weak-spined R's are still afraid to stand on their own against the media. The very same quality (or lack thereof) of the Republican party that makes them so weak against Obama is what makes them weak in standing with an honorable former President.

Did you know that President Bush said that he was sorry that they kept referring to the "Bush tax cuts" (even though they were a good thing), because he knew that people hated him so much that even a good thing with his name on it became a bad thing? But who has stood up for him on those tax cuts? Almost no one.

Why he didn't defend himself, I will never understand, but that was his decision. Why no elected Republican stood up on his behalf and defended him on Iraq, Katrina, or anything else, I understand even less. Just like I don't understand their cowardice now.

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#34 | RE: Jordan To Bernanke: Cough It Up! datum

Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:51 pm (Last edited: Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:52 pm)

Quote: nerd wrote in post #32
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #29

Anyone who was paying attention knew George W. wasn't an across the board conservative, and anyone disappointed in him for not being what he never claimed to be should have done his or her homework.

I'll disagree with the "just like" his father because as a pro-lifer and social conservative, I found him to be far more conservative than his Dad. On other issues, yes, he was a moderate.

Remember that he campaigned on being the "education President?" How any conservative thought that he was an across the board conservative is beyond me.

Bush is no longer in offcie, but we are paying now and will pay for a long time for his sorry leadership and there is no white washing his and his merrymens roles. They gave us obama.

Poppycock.

McCain was a terrible candidate who campaigned against Bush more than he campaigned against Obama.
Obama had the media slobbering all over him and covering up who he was.
There was a lot of white guilt in play.
People were sick of the Iraq war, which the media had lied about for 5 years.
There was a Democrat caused economic crash in September before the election day.
Obama was an amoral, hardcore liar.
The American people were and are ignorant.

Stop denying history to blame everything on Bush. He most certainly did not "give us Obama."

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#35 | RE: Jordan To Bernanke: Cough It Up! datum

Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:52 pm

Quote: musiclady wrote in post #29
Quote: W-Girl wrote in post #26

I don't want to agree with you ....but you are right on each point, Frank !!

I think people make the mistake of thinking of W as a conservative ...and therefore they are (were) disappointed.

But, W was a moderate just like his daddy !!

Anyone who was paying attention knew George W. wasn't an across the board conservative, and anyone disappointed in him for not being what he never claimed to be should have done his or her homework.

I'll disagree with the "just like" his father because as a pro-lifer and social conservative, I found him to be far more conservative than his Dad. On other issues, yes, he was a moderate.

Remember that he campaigned on being the "education President?" How any conservative thought that he was an across the board conservative is beyond me.

For the record, I was under no illusions that W was a conservative any more than I thought Romney was when I voted this November !!

However, I LIKE TO WIN and I buy into the theory that we can't win alone as Republicans/Conservatives .......we do need Independents to push us over the top.

On foreign policy, W was conservative and on domestic issues he was a moderate !!

In either case, Romney and W were sure better than the alternatives !!

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#36 | RE: Jordan To Bernanke: Cough It Up! datum

Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:56 pm

Quote: nerd wrote in post #32

Bush is no longer in offcie, but we are paying now and will pay for a long time for his sorry leadership and there is no white washing his and his merrymens roles. They gave us obama.

We are PAYING NOW because you and a whole lot of others like you DIDN'T VOTE !!

So have ALL THE SAY you want now, Nerd .................BUT THE REAL TIME TO HAVE YOUR SAY would have been at the voting booth !!

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#37 | RE: Jordan To Bernanke: Cough It Up! datum

Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:57 pm

Quote: W-Girl wrote in post #35
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #29
Quote: W-Girl wrote in post #26

I don't want to agree with you ....but you are right on each point, Frank !!

I think people make the mistake of thinking of W as a conservative ...and therefore they are (were) disappointed.

But, W was a moderate just like his daddy !!

Anyone who was paying attention knew George W. wasn't an across the board conservative, and anyone disappointed in him for not being what he never claimed to be should have done his or her homework.

I'll disagree with the "just like" his father because as a pro-lifer and social conservative, I found him to be far more conservative than his Dad. On other issues, yes, he was a moderate.

Remember that he campaigned on being the "education President?" How any conservative thought that he was an across the board conservative is beyond me.

For the record, I was under no illusions that W was a conservative any more than I thought Romney was when I voted this November !!

However, I LIKE TO WIN and I buy into the theory that we can't win alone as Republicans/Conservatives .......we do need Independents to push us over the top.

On foreign policy, W was conservative and on domestic issues he was a moderate !!

In either case, Romney and W were sure better than the alternatives !!

I'm absolutely with you on this, W-Girl.

The alternative to GWB in 2000 was algor. That's it. That was the choice.
The alternative to GWB in 2004 was jFkerry. That's it. That was the choice.
The alternative to John McCain (gag) in 2008 was Barack Hussein Obama. That's it. That was the choice.
And the alternative to Mitt Romney in 2012 was a known entity, and vile Marxist.

Yes, Mitt Romney would have done some things that we as conservatives wouldn't like, but look what we have now!

I'd give my eye teeth to have an honorable man like Mitt Romney OR George W. Bush in office right now.

Not as conservative as I am, no. (Neither was Reagan, btw). But I knew that going in because I paid attention.

We have some huge problems ahead of us because of these Marxists and anti-Christian punks running the show now.

And we have to focus on the future, and not the past. We've got to get these traitors OUT OF OFFICE.

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#38 | RE: Jordan To Bernanke: Cough It Up! datum

Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:58 pm (Last edited: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:00 pm)

Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #28
Clinton was out there gang busters....

Clinton was and is a disgrace, a blight upon this once great nation, the worst President in history.

And I do sincerely thank God that He raised up a man, George W Bush, who restored honor and decency to the office of POTUS!

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#39 | RE: Jordan To Bernanke: Cough It Up! datum

Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:12 pm

Quote: nerd wrote in post #21
Once again, tarp was passed under bush and it says to do all things necessary. So if you do not like it have tarp repealed and it was and is a bush, paulson, rove bill.

Something along the lines of 'to save the free market' he 'violated free market principles'.

Illegitimi non Carborundum

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#40 | RE: Jordan To Bernanke: Cough It Up! datum

Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:15 pm

Quote: nerd wrote in post #30
Quote: Quix wrote in post #12

Soooooooooooo . . . we could easily be talking about $50-100 TRILLION actual debt without too much trouble?

IT'S ALL KABUKI THEATER.

When you add in all the funds that have nothing but iou's in them, the current federal obligatios/debt is almost a 100 trillion now. All those mortgage guarantees, all those retirement accounts, all the highway trust funds, all the airport trust funds, all the student loans, etc, etc, it is all debt.

THX THX for your kind reply and important information.

I wish my guess had been enormously wrong. Sigh.

Prov 22:3 A prudent person foresees danger and takes precautions.
The simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences. NLT
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EXO-POL Vatican likes ET ... http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/vaticana4.htm
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KABUKI THEATER REIGNS in D.C., NYC, LONDON

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#41 | RE: Jordan To Bernanke: Cough It Up! datum

Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:18 pm

Quote: nerd wrote in post #30

When you add in all the funds that have nothing but ious in them, the current federal obligatios/debt is almost a 100 trillion now. All those mortgage guarantees, all those retirement accounts, all the highway trust funds, all the airport trust funds, all the student loans, etc, etc, it is all debt.

Yes, your $100T is right in the middle of the range that I see quoted $95-115 T. It varies by which accounts are included. The good news is that more people (even though it is still a small number) are talking about this more accurate number now, a few years ago you had to dig hard to find anyone willing to speak of it.

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers."

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#42 | RE: Jordan To Bernanke: Cough It Up! datum

Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:23 pm

Quote: Cedric wrote in post #38
Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #28
Clinton was out there gang busters....

Clinton was and is a disgrace, a blight upon this once great nation, the worst President in history.

And I do sincerely thank God that He raised up a man, George W Bush, who restored honor and decency to the office of POTUS!

I will never forget that either, Cedric.

The disgrace, the filth of the Clinton presidency was erased when George W. Bush walked in the WH.

And no matter what he did policy wise that I disagree with, he never, ever did a thing to disgrace nor dishonor the office of President of the United States because he, himself held it such high regard.

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#43 | RE: Jordan To Bernanke: Cough It Up! datum

Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:25 pm

Quote: Frank Cannon wrote in post #7
Quote: musiclady wrote in post #6

Some people are just unhealthily obsessed with hating George Bush and Karl Rove.

Unfortunately it keeps them from seeing many of the real issues.

I hate to ruin your day, BUT I will. Bush is the reason we have this corrupt little man running the Fed. People informed about Bernanke knew he was not a good choice for this job, but the Progressives won the day and Bush being one of them appointed him.

It should bother you that the man Bush installed in this job is also a nice fit for Zero.

Yup. You can add in GW created the DHS with EO # 13228, pushed 'no child left behind' expanding federal government's role in local education, the Patriot Act, calling those who want secure borders 'vigilantes', Medicare D, raised domestic spending, . . .

Illegitimi non Carborundum

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#44 | RE: Jordan To Bernanke: Cough It Up! datum

Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:29 pm

Quote: W-Girl wrote in post #36

We are PAYING NOW because you and a whole lot of others like you DIDN'T VOTE !!

So have ALL THE SAY you want now, Nerd .................BUT THE REAL TIME TO HAVE YOUR SAY would have been at the voting booth !!

I voted for Mitt Romney, and I actually thought that he was going to win. Would I have bet $$$$ on it? No. Because I didn't know what level of voter fraud and cheating to count on. In hindsight I guess it was good not to bet $$$. Until I see overwhelming evidence that voter fraud (especially in a few key swinging states) was not a factor, I will hold to my guns that Romney had the election stolen from him.

I can understand why some won't agree. I mean, if you look at what two terrible choices we have:

1. The majority of the people in the country (our fellow citizens) are so far gone that they would actually vote to return this marxist to office.
(Which is accompanied by this: a significant portion of the minority (i.e., those that wouldn't vote to re-elect) didn't see the crisis in stark enough terms to vote for someone that may have not been their first choice. This aspect isn't good either.)

2. Widespread election fraud and cheating were able to steal a national election right in front of our eyes.

Neither choice is comforting by any means.

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers."

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#45 | RE: Jordan To Bernanke: Cough It Up! datum

Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:31 pm (Last edited: Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:32 pm)

Hey algernon, that 'called us vigilantes' line is not true. He said "this country is not made up of vigilantes." That's a far different thing than calling everyone who wanted secure borders a vigilante.

Stop misrepresenting the truth as you list your reasons why "Bush is evil." He didn't say that.

I strongly disagreed with his immigration policy and knew very well he wasn't calling us vigilantes.

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